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Old 04-27-2019, 06:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Donna-501 View Post
I would think they should know why they are bailing someone out and what they did beforehand. That is so sad.
That was sarcasm-

It is quoting a line from the movie “Dr. Strangelove” in which George C Scott says the same thing about thier psychological screening process after a rogue, insane Colonel (Jack Ripper) unilaterally launches a nuclear strike against the Russians for contaminating his “precious bodily fluids” with fluoridation.

Of course it was a stupid decision.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This did not go as planned...

Nonprofit Pays Bail For Man Who Attacked His Wife, Hours Later He Murders Her

Samuel Lee Scott, 54, was arrested for domestic abuse on April 5, after he allegedly beat 54-year-old Marcia Johnson, injuring her cheekbone and ear, the Associated Press reported.

Scott also allegedly told Johnson that the “might as well finished what [he] started since [she] was going to contact the police,” the St. Louis Circuit Attorney’s Office wrote in a probable cause statement.



She was granted an order of protection from him on 4/9. Later the same day, the St. Louis Bail Project posted Scott’s $5,000 bail.
“The Bail Project is an unprecedented effort to combat mass incarceration at the front end of the system,” according to the group’s website. “We pay bail for people in need, reuniting families and restoring the presumption of innocence.”

...
We believe that paying bail for someone in need is an act of resistance against a system that criminalizes race and poverty and an act of solidarity with local communities and movements for decarceration,” the page read.
Hours after his released, he went back to the home and badly abused her with a damaged eye socket, several broken ribs, and brain damage - and she died five days later.


The Bail Project Executive Director Robin Steinberg said the group was “deeply saddened” by Johnson’s murder, but said that they were in no way responsible for what had occurred.

"No one could have predicted this tragedy," Steinberg claimed, according to the Associated Press.



These people blindly bailed him out without any knowledge what happened. They looked at race and class and bailed him out based on those factors alone and a woman lost her life. You have got to be kidding me.
Affirmative Action strikes again.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:16 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by Oldhag1 View Post
A quote from the St. Louis site manager:

That is a load of crap and I am sure Ms. Johnson wishes they had considered her risk.

The Circuit Attorney's Office said they are going to meet with them, their statement:


The bail project needs to stick to non-violent crimes. I agree it is not helpful to lock up a mother or father for 3-6 months for a shoplifting charge or procession of a recreational level of drugs, but the minute violence is involved they need to step away.
Sounds reasonable and pragmatic, something Idealistic groups like this aren't.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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This did not go as planned...

Nonprofit Pays Bail For Man Who Attacked His Wife, Hours Later He Murders Her

Samuel Lee Scott, 54, was arrested for domestic abuse on April 5, after he allegedly beat 54-year-old Marcia Johnson, injuring her cheekbone and ear, the Associated Press reported.

Scott also allegedly told Johnson that the “might as well finished what [he] started since [she] was going to contact the police,” the St. Louis Circuit Attorney’s Office wrote in a probable cause statement.



She was granted an order of protection from him on 4/9. Later the same day, the St. Louis Bail Project posted Scott’s $5,000 bail.

“The Bail Project is an unprecedented effort to combat mass incarceration at the front end of the system,” according to the group’s website. “We pay bail for people in need, reuniting families and restoring the presumption of innocence.”

...
We believe that paying bail for someone in need is an act of resistance against a system that criminalizes race and poverty and an act of solidarity with local communities and movements for decarceration,” the page read.

Hours after his released, he went back to the home and badly abused her with a damaged eye socket, several broken ribs, and brain damage - and she died five days later.


The Bail Project Executive Director Robin Steinberg said the group was “deeply saddened” by Johnson’s murder, but said that they were in no way responsible for what had occurred.

"No one could have predicted this tragedy," Steinberg claimed, according to the Associated Press.



These people blindly bailed him out without any knowledge what happened. They looked at race and class and bailed him out based on those factors alone and a woman lost her life. You have got to be kidding me.
This blaming of the non-profit is of course incoherent and nonsensical. It is the courts job to keep people in prison who are dangers to the community, not some non-profit who pays people's bail .
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Thats not a "mistake" its complete incompetence and negligence.
No, actually it is not. If the judicial system thought he was that dangerous the bond should have been much higher.
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Houston
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This blaming of the non-profit is of course incoherent and nonsensical. It is the courts job to keep people in prison who are dangers to the community, not some non-profit who pays people's bail .
Exactly. Obviously he was not considered that dangerous.
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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"She was granted an order of protection from him on 4/9. Later the same day, the St. Louis Bail Project posted Scott’s $5,000 bail."

So, the program didn't even take the time to look into him. For shame.
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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Exactly. Obviously he was not considered that dangerous.
Dangerous enough to grant an order of protection and be um....put in jail.

The US is EXTREMELY hesitant to hold someone without bail out of concerns over civil rights abuses.
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Old 04-27-2019, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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That is horrible
I can see it being used for those in jail for minor offenses that didn't involve assault or injuring other people. But to use it for violent criminals...that makes you wonder what the real motive is. Like you said..race and class.
The court set bail and conditions of bail for the misdemeanor domestic violence charge.

The court could have set a higher bail and/or required electronic monitoring and/ or imposed other restrictions if the court believed he posed a serious risk.

What is the difference between 2 guys charged with the same crime and both are given the opportunity to post a $5000 bail. One guy has the financial means to cover his bail. The other does not. One guy is set free while the other sits in jail.

Nothing would preclude either guy from using a bail bondsman.
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Old 04-27-2019, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Democrats support criminals.
Don't be surprised to find this guy on the ticket to be V.P. for one of the democrat candidates.
IMHO that don't sound political, that sounds like an ideology. I expect this from either the far right or the far left honestly. Anyone who thinks liberties are being taken away for no reason. I've seen this argument from ideologues on both the far left and even the far right. Both sides of the libertarian philosophy rather than simply being conservative or liberal.
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