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Old 05-29-2019, 05:57 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Lee committed treason against his country. No comparison.
No he did not, there is a provision in the constitution for secession.
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Old 05-29-2019, 06:03 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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No he did not, there is a provision in the constitution for secession.
Yes he did. Even by the necessarily narrow definition of treason.

More nonsense along the same lines of arguing the US Civil War was not primarily over slavery.
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Old 05-29-2019, 06:04 AM
 
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I already told you why whites anointed King. He was safer than all the other alternatives that were scaring the Bejeezus outta white American. You already knew that anyway.

Now you wanna decry his big clay feet and expect black folks to follow suit. The answer is NO.

Furthermore, African Americans like myself aren’t going along with the attempt to pit King against Douglass or anyone else. The present arrangement is a done deal. If African Americans decide to take MLK down a peg, it won’t be because of external forces. It’ll be because WE see the need to do so.


Hmmmmph. Lol

Put it this way: a lot of people want their grandfather’s America back. And for very nefarious reasons.
King promoted non violence in the Civil Rights movement, which was a genius move. Who in their right mind would oppose peacefully asking for justice. It was a political move akin to the Emancipation Proclamation.

It sounds like you claim King's legacy as the exclusive property of blacks, which is not true. A political figure is judged by the balance of the nation for their actions, regardless of color.

So King was a pervert- live with it. I think that one needs to separate accomplishments from personal actions and legacy. Obviously, King was not a great human being, but was a great leader. History is full of similar examples and one needs to understand that essentially all historical figures were flawed.

However, this should be a lesson to the American Taliban (liberals) who are tearing down every statue/monument of every political figure that they view through the prism of modern liberalism. Next time a monument is torn down by liberals, think about King's personal actions.
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Old 05-29-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Yes he did. Even by the necessarily narrow definition of treason.

More nonsense along the same lines of arguing the US Civil War was not primarily over slavery.
OK because you say so.
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Old 05-29-2019, 07:24 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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ANCIENT news.
wrong!

never before have we heard that king looked on, laughed and offered advice while one of his buddies raped a female parishioner.

go ahead and try to find a link from last month, or last year, or last decade. it ain't happening.

strangely enough, the US media is avoiding this like the plague. cnn, wapo, nyt, fox news- nada from any of them. yet plenty of stories out of Europe, Australia, india, etc.:

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His article’s revelations, which were first reported by The Sunday Times, have so far met with silence from the US media, the King Center (formerly the Martin Luther King Foundation) and MLK’s family.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8932206.html

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertain...ectid=12235247

https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/fbi...woman-24186746
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Old 05-29-2019, 07:27 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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All statues and references must be removed in light of the Metoo movement and out of respect for women.
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Old 05-29-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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wrong!

never before have we heard that king looked on, laughed and offered advice while one of his buddies raped a female parishioner.

go ahead and try to find a link from last month, or last year, or last decade. it ain't happening.

strangely enough, the US media is avoiding this like the plague. cnn, wapo, nyt, fox news- nada from any of them. yet plenty of stories out of Europe, Australia, india, etc.:



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8932206.html

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertain...ectid=12235247

https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/fbi...woman-24186746
I was referring to
A MLK was a pervo
B Not a nice person in general

This does not change his political change for civil rights.
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Old 05-29-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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wrong!

never before have we heard that king looked on, laughed and offered advice while one of his buddies raped a female parishioner.

go ahead and try to find a link from last month, or last year, or last decade. it ain't happening.

strangely enough, the US media is avoiding this like the plague. cnn, wapo, nyt, fox news- nada from any of them. yet plenty of stories out of Europe, Australia, india, etc.:



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8932206.html

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertain...ectid=12235247

https://www.iol.co.za/news/world/fbi...woman-24186746
Well God forbid they make MLK look bad. You are right though, I have heard rumors, but this is the first time I have read it in print and never heard he laughed while a friend violently raped a vulnerable woman.

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Old 05-29-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Yes he did. Even by the necessarily narrow definition of treason.

More nonsense along the same lines of arguing the US Civil War was not primarily over slavery.
"The U.S. Constitution does not forbid a state from leaving the Union. According to the tenth amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. Therefore, all states have a Constitutional right to secede. However, two new constitutional questions concerning secession emerged shortly after the Civil War ended"


So please tell me how Lee commited treason?

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Old 05-29-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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The only thing I will say is for someone who preached peace then laughs while a friend violently rapes a women says a ton about the "content of his character" Hypocrite indeed!
Shrug. We have far worse figures in our history. Deal with them first, then we can talk about MLK.
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No he did not, there is a provision in the constitution for secession.
Lee committed treason against this country. He should’ve been hanged after the war.
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King promoted non violence in the Civil Rights movement, which was a genius move. Who in their right mind would oppose peacefully asking for justice. It was a political move akin to the Emancipation Proclamation.

It sounds like you claim King's legacy as the exclusive property of blacks, which is not true. A political figure is judged by the balance of the nation for their actions, regardless of color.

So King was a pervert- live with it. I think that one needs to separate accomplishments from personal actions and legacy. Obviously, King was not a great human being, but was a great leader. History is full of similar examples and one needs to understand that essentially all historical figures were flawed.

However, this should be a lesson to the American Taliban (liberals) who are tearing down every statue/monument of every political figure that they view through the prism of modern liberalism. Next time a monument is torn down by liberals, think about King's personal actions.
Nah...we’ll STILL be going after the Confederate, racist, seditious, Slave owning traitors from the South and demanding that our tax dollars aren’t used to maintain their statues and other commemorative items. Those still have to go if they’re anywhere near where we live or even gallivant.

That’s just how it’s gotta be.
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