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Old 07-10-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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Here’s the bottom line. Democrats want to water down citizenship. US citizenship is easily the most valueable thing most of us have. It’s why people risk their lives to come here and have children it’s why people spend tens of thousands of dollars for the possibility to become a citizen. They regularly conflate the term resident with citizen, even illegal immigrant with citizen. They see no difference we’re all world citizens in their eyes. Which is why they are so quick to concede domestic decision making to multinational bodies like the UN. It’s why they want to decriminalize entering the country without permission(mind you we citizens will still have to get visas and passports when we enter other countries). It’s gotten to the point where some of the mainstream democrats spend the majority of time defending non-citizens who broke into our country.
Entering has never been a criminal offense for the vast majority. It's a civil offense.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Entering has never been a criminal offense for the vast majority. It's a civil offense.
What? It’s a class A misdemeanor that becomes a felony if you try to re-enter. It’s a serious crime. As it should be.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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Congress does not act bek as it has already said -the entire border crisis is a fabricated false emergency contrived by the president
Let’s all tune into cnn for some unbiased reporting on this subject tonight
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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What an ignorant post.

The second link is from Aug 2018, and the polls have not changed much since then.

Here’s one from Feb this year.

https://www.newsweek.com/more-80-ame...tizens-1316889
I agree !!! I can't explain why you made it !!!
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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What? It’s a class A misdemeanor that becomes a felony if you try to re-enter. It’s a serious crime. As it should be.
If you try to re-enter. For the majority it's a very minor offense. It's one reason that the Federal courts won't allow city or state courts to hold a defendant just for this.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:26 PM
 
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I want borders enforced and the asylum/immigration process fixed.

But I am also worried about all the scapegoating going on and just wanting to ship millions of people out of the country. That sounds far too much like history repeating itself.

We're essentially at full employment. Bi-partisan CBO found that they are a net benefit to the economy. I'm more on board with a path to citizenship approach for those that have really established roots and are benefiting their community and guest working visas for the others. Jail for the career criminals rather than just deporting them to have them sneak back in.
This country did it before. During the idyllic 50’s the Eisenhower Administration deported 1.3 million people because it was the right thing to do and General Eisenhower didn’t take no for an answer.

We can do it if we have to. I would prefer securing our border and then giving people already here a path to citizenship through thorough screening. And the next Democrat who accuses the government of racism or xenophobia for simply enforcing the law should be punched in the mouth on live TV.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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I want borders enforced and the asylum/immigration process fixed.

But I am also worried about all the scapegoating going on and just wanting to ship millions of people out of the country. That sounds far too much like history repeating itself.

We're essentially at full employment. Bi-partisan CBO found that they are a net benefit to the economy. I'm more on board with a path to citizenship approach for those that have really established roots and are benefiting their community and guest working visas for the others. Jail for the career criminals rather than just deporting them to have them sneak back in.
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Well...gee...we've all heard stories about criminals who go on the lam and "have really established roots" and "are benefiting their community". Yet when those criminals finally get caught, they go right to jail. No amnesty for them. Why do you think, in light of that, it's okay to give illegal aliens a free pass and even worse, a guest worker visa?

You say "jail for career criminals". Illegal aliens become criminals the minute they either sneak into this country or overstay a visa. The term "law-abiding illegal alien" is an oxymoron.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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Per the bolded:

Well...gee...we've all heard stories about criminals who go on the lam and "have really established roots" and "are benefiting their community". Yet when those criminals finally get caught, they go right to jail. No amnesty for them. Why do you think, in light of that, it's okay to give illegal aliens a free pass and even worse, a guest worker visa?

You say "jail for career criminals". Illegal aliens become criminals the minute they either sneak into this country or overstay a visa. The term "law-abiding illegal alien" is an oxymoron.
Don't then. Since we will not address the reason they come someone else can deal with 10-20 million Trump doesnt.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:37 PM
 
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According to a Breitbart poll

But it could be true. Non one complained with Obamas mass deportations. Republicans had plenty of time to close the "asylum loopholes", but refused to do so. The reason for their refusal seems obvious: the immigration problem is too valuable to them politically. What would their base do if it went away? Same with abortion? If it was banned, they could lose potentially tens of millions of votes.
What "mass deportations"?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...dhs-chief-say/

So, Obama didn't do any "mass deportations". Plus, even if he did that, he went and undid it all by dictating DACA. Then he tried to dictate DAPA. The Fifth Circuit Court issued an injunction against DAPA but Obama thumbed his nose at it and issued 100,000 DAPA permits. He only stopped when he got caught.

Enough with the BS that illegal immigration is only "too valuable for them politically" for republicans, when it is plainly obvious that it is also "too valuable for them politically" for the democrats. If illegal immigration was banned and all illegals were deported, what would the dems do when they lose all those future voters?
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Old 07-10-2019, 04:13 PM
 
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I understand facts are hard sometimes, especially when the majority viewpoint differs from yours.

But you are wrong.

Every poll in pretty much the last 5+ years shows a strong majority favor a pathway to citizenship, I would call that amnesty.
You are the one that is wrong. Polls don't mean a thing when they are worded in a way to get the desired results.
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