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Old 07-12-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: moved
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If democrats think Trump is so awful, why can’t they come up with a better candidate?
This has been a poignant question for decades, and not just from Democrats. In short, there’s something unappealing about the job, so that the best people are loath to run. Why didn’t Jim Webb run in 2016? Or Colin Powell in 2008? And so forth.

The accusation that I’d levy is more towards the Republicans than the Democrats. Why couldn’t Republicans come up with a candidate in 2016 who could have defeated Trump? Why can’t the Republicans find a candidate now, who could “primary” him? I don’t want to see a Bernie/AOC-style president any more than you do.

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Much of our indignation or tolerance has to do with ideology and even party loyalty.
Partially. In my case, it’s less about party-affiliation than with world-view, or perception of what government, nation and society ought to be. My critique of Trump is from the right, not from the left. My critique is of his unexamined and crude populism, rather than his being “too conservative”.

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They don't dislike America, they only dislike our flag, Constitution, economy, system of voting, founders, history and our success.
If I were French, my interests and preferences would align with those of Paris, rather than rural France, or its small towns. If I were German, my interests and preference would align with those of Berlin or maybe Munich, rather than those of rural German, or its small towns. If I were English, my interests and preferences would align with those of London, rather than those of rural England or its smaller towns. As an American, my interests and preferences align with those of NYC/Boston/DC/LA/SF, rather than those of rural America or its smaller towns.

It’s unlikely that the Remain vote in England “hates” England. It’s just that its vision of England is that of a global Britain, open to the world, engaged with the world, aligned with it. Do you see the analogy? This is my vision for America.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: 404
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Republicans tried to smear Bill Clinton with Epstein. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now with Trump. What is costing him votes is his chickenhawk cabinet.
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:11 PM
 
Location: NYC
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That will be a pretty tough challenge. For instance, we have two new automotive plants, one an OEM the other a supplier that will be built in Detroit. A lot of that area has fallen into ruins and many of the citizens are working minimum wage jobs. Now these new plants will open, giving first choice of the jobs to Detroiters. So going from a minimum wage to a Union job with benefits is quite a big deal don't you think ? Not to mention the entire change of the city around where the plants are. Restaurants , coffee shops, construction companies etc. will see huge increase. And all that will trickle down , families will now see a better future than what they once had.


So, there really is no way for a monetary comparison to your frat boys bank account. And that is why you aren't seeing the bigger picture.
Now are all states doing as well since 2016, sadly not. This is life though, it isn't a fair playing field.
Is this what you are talking about?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fiat-ch...lan-6500-jobs/

I could not find in that article anything specific Trump has done that motivated Chrysler to reopen those plants. It sounds like they are anticipating some subsidies from Detroit. Also in the same article, it mentions GM closing plants. I'm sure if I dig hard enough, I will find stories of manufacturing plants opening and closing during Obama's 8 years in office. So I have to conclude this is a business decision unrelated to Trump. So yeah, the only thing I'm left with is Trump's crazy rhetoric about illegals, his immoral lying behavior and events that just happened to take place when he is in office. Trump did have an active role in shutting down the government to get wall funding and increasing tariffs. Maybe before the election, these actions will pay off and then I can decide whether he has done any good or not.
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:20 PM
 
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Is this what you are talking about?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fiat-ch...lan-6500-jobs/

I could not find in that article anything specific Trump has done that motivated Chrysler to reopen those plants. It sounds like they are anticipating some subsidies from Detroit. Also in the same article, it mentions GM closing plants. I'm sure if I dig hard enough, I will find stories of manufacturing plants opening and closing during Obama's 8 years in office. So I have to conclude this is a business decision unrelated to Trump. So yeah, the only thing I'm left with is Trump's crazy rhetoric about illegals, his immoral lying behavior and events that just happened to take place when he is in office. Trump did have an active role in shutting down the government to get wall funding and increasing tariffs. Maybe before the election, these actions will pay off and then I can decide whether he has done any good or not.
Actually, you are the one that brought up benefiting under Trump. And at the moment I feel MI and the manufacturing industry is doing very well. Either due to Trump or not. I'd like to think he has in part helped. And yes plants shut down and open all the time, but it's been a while since this kind of money has been put into the city of Detroit.


Both the link you posted and this one are what I was talking about.
https://www.crainsdetroit.com/automo...oit-supply-fca


As far as whom to vote for in 2020, I have no choice but to vote GOP.


I'm:
Pro 2A
Pro Law enforcement
Pro Military
Pro choice
Pro LGB
Anti global
Anti illegal immigration
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:06 PM
 
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Our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will cringe when they read about this horrible and corrupt administration in history books.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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Our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will cringe when they read about this horrible and corrupt administration in history books.
You mean the dirty Clinton Administration?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...-controversies
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:17 PM
 
Location: DFW
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LOL... In 2016 you ran the most corrupt witch from hell.
Now in 2020 Dems are running the entire 20+ Clown Circus.

When are you going to give us someone better to vote for that's better than Trump?
Just look at the hysterics you've been pulling for the last 3 years.
Look at the far left agenda you now promote.

Open borders.
Free chit for everyone and illegals.

You Dems have gone Berserk.
You can't even control AOC and the other radical Progressive idiots.

Hell yes I'm voting for Trump again.
Stock markets above 27300 today and up 50% in 2 years.
Unemployment is at zero.
Blacks are working.

You have no one that can take on the Economy, jobs and China.

Shut down the border and we might talk.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Our kids, grandkids and great grandkids will cringe when they read about this horrible and corrupt administration in history books.
If we allow people like you to continue destroying this nation those kids will be reading their history books in Spanish.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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If we allow people like you to continue destroying this nation those kids will be reading their history books in Spanish.
Beautifully Spoken!
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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I certainly hope people come to their senses and vote that crook out.

Why...so the liberals/progressives can vote one of their own crooks in?
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