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The United States is based on the right and responsibility of all citizens to engage in peaceful dissent. Without the ability to disagree with your government, we have lost our liberty. I can't see how anyone who believes in the American model would not see this. And yet, we have been told that some people who disagree with the government should leave the country. We are told that lawful dissent is no longer the foundation of our society. I find this abhorrent. I have the right to disagree with any governmental policy, and I have the right to disagree publicly, as does anyone else. If we end up electing a Democratic president in 2020, I expect people to disagree with that president, no matter who he/she is. It is their right.
The fact that Trump, in his recent tweets, has chosen to overlay his condemnation of legal dissent with racism and sexism makes it more abhorrent. But the most heinous aspect of those tweets is that disagreement with our government means you are a less valued citizen and you are asked to leave. He seeks to portray citizenship as conditional. But our citizenship is not "on the condition that I don't dissent." In fact, dissent is a basic premise of good citizenship. It is working toward "a more perfect union." It is our responsibility to speak up when we perceive a wrong, even if others don't believe it is a wrong.
"Love it or Leave it" is bandied about, but it is not a fundamentally American sentiment. An American sentiment should be based on our right to disagree, and disagreement must never imply that we don't love our country. The right of dissent is written into our Constitution as the Right of Free Speech. To deny that right or to disparage its use, to imply that utilizing that right means one is disloyal or not fit to live in this country is an abomination to our way of life.
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Saw an interesting post on Facebook today.
Education is not memorizing that Hitler killed 6 million Jews. Education is understanding how millions of ordinary Germans were convinced that it was required. Education is how to spot the signs of history repeating itself.
The United States is based on the right and responsibility of all citizens to engage in peaceful dissent. Without the ability to disagree with your government, we have lost our liberty. I can't see how anyone who believes in the American model would not see this. And yet, we have been told that some people who disagree with the government should leave the country. We are told that lawful dissent is no longer the foundation of our society. I find this abhorrent. I have the right to disagree with any governmental policy, and I have the right to disagree publicly, as does anyone else. If we end up electing a Democratic president in 2020, I expect people to disagree with that president, no matter who he/she is. It is their right.
The fact that Trump, in his recent tweets, has chosen to overlay his condemnation of legal dissent with racism and sexism makes it more abhorrent. But the most heinous aspect of those tweets is that disagreement with our government means you are a less valued citizen and you are asked to leave. He seeks to portray citizenship as conditional. But our citizenship is not "on the condition that I don't dissent." In fact, dissent is a basic premise of good citizenship. It is working toward "a more perfect union." It is our responsibility to speak up when we perceive a wrong, even if others don't believe it is a wrong.
"Love it or Leave it" is bandied about, but it is not a fundamentally American sentiment. An American sentiment should be based on our right to disagree, and disagreement must never imply that we don't love our country. The right of dissent is written into our Constitution as the Right of Free Speech. To deny that right or to disparage its use, to imply that utilizing that right means one is disloyal or not fit to live in this country is an abomination to our way of life.
"Peaceful dissent" being the term. When dissension involves violence, that is where our right basically thrown out of the figurative window. Now, dissent being kind or uplifting is another story as dissension can include remakes that might have racism, sexism, anti-LGBT, religious-shaming, body shaming , misogyny, and misandry.
I am much more concerned about the ANTIFA fascists who go around hitting people who disagree with crowbars, lefty terrorists who try to blow up ICE facilities, and that lefty ****bag who shot the majority whip and three others.
Dissent, freedom of speech, and all of the rest of it cuts both ways. Ilan Omar has the right to say hateful, anti-semitic and anti-American things, and Trump has the right to tell her she ought to leave. He is speaking for me, and I am glad that someone is.
You are not going to win this with snowlfakism and crying. You have one option, and one option only: tell your party to tone it down, and tell Omar, Cortez, Rashid, and the other ****bag to shut up entirely until the election is over. Otherwise, prepare yourself for the Trump re-election.
Just because someone can say something doesn't mean that they should, doesn't mean that others won't disagree, and doesn't mean that they won't face consequences.
I am much more concerned about the ANTIFA fascists who go around hitting people who disagree with crowbars, lefty terrorists who try to blow up ICE facilities, and that lefty ****bag who shot the majority whip and three others.
Dissent, freedom of speech, and all of the rest of it cuts both ways. Ilan Omar has the right to say hateful, anti-semitic and anti-American things, and Trump has the right to tell her she ought to leave. He is speaking for me, and I am glad that someone is.
You are not going to win this with snowlfakism and crying. You have one option, and one option only: tell your party to tone it down, and tell Omar, Cortez, Rashid, and the other ****bag to shut up entirely until the election is over. Otherwise, prepare yourself for the Trump re-election.
Just because someone can say something doesn't mean that they should, doesn't mean that others won't disagree, and doesn't mean that they won't face consequences.
So in other words, shut up and hold blind loyalty to Trump until after the election!
I am much more concerned about the ANTIFA fascists who go around hitting people who disagree with crowbars, lefty terrorists who try to blow up ICE facilities, and that lefty ****bag who shot the majority whip and three others.
Dissent, freedom of speech, and all of the rest of it cuts both ways. Ilan Omar has the right to say hateful, anti-semitic and anti-American things, and Trump has the right to tell her she ought to leave. He is speaking for me, and I am glad that someone is.
You are not going to win this with snowlfakism and crying. You have one option, and one option only: tell your party to tone it down, and tell Omar, Cortez, Rashid, and the other ****bag to shut up entirely until the election is over. Otherwise, prepare yourself for the Trump re-election.
Just because someone can say something doesn't mean that they should, doesn't mean that others won't disagree, and doesn't mean that they won't face consequences.
Bingo!
Despite the high drama in the OP's post, and the usual selective outrage of the left, the OP is either blind to members of the left beating up and chasing those with whom they disagree out of restaurants, demanding that they be kicked off social platforms, etc.--or he doesn't care. I suspect it's the latter.
Nobody is sending these four representatives ''home''. Both sides are just voicing their dissent; one in a somewhat sophisticated manner, the other being spoon fed to fourth graders.
Dissent, freedom of speech, and all of the rest of it cuts both ways. Ilan Omar has the right to say hateful, anti-semitic and anti-American things, and Trump has the right to tell her she ought to leave. He is speaking for me, and I am glad that someone is.
No, Trump does not have the right to tell her that she should leave. As president, he is sworn to uphold the constitutional rights of every single American. Telling her to leave abridges her constitutional rights. He has a job to do. Saying these thing may be his right as a private citizen, but it violates his oath as President. A president does not have the right to use his bully pulpit to get back at individuals he doesn't like. He has the right to dispute their votes and their advocacy of positions. But he does not have the right to encourage denying their rights as citizens (as the crowd did with "Send her back").
Despite the high drama in the OP's post, and the usual selective outrage of the left, the OP is either blind to members of the left beating up and chasing those with whom they disagree out of restaurants, demanding that they be kicked off social platforms, etc.--or he doesn't care. I suspect it's the latter.
The OP (me) was specifically addressing peaceful dissent. Why you think that my thread failed because it didn't discuss what YOU wanted - well, I can't read minds. I was being specific on one topic, not straying onto the subject violence.
But if you want to go that way, I will say that I am NOT in favor of ANTIFA or anyone else, including the KKK, the new Nazis, or the Proud Boys, beating anyone up or rioting. That is wrong, and I condemn it, no matter who does it. I favor points of view being kicked off of social platforms if they advocate violence - no matter what "side" they are on.
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