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the only factor that changed was the removal of US troops. so either they were the deterrent keeping turkey from invading or turkey had planned on invading regardless of the US troops and the timing is purely coincidental.
No - there was another factor. A phone call between Trump and Turkey.
Maybe we should just put 50 soldiers on every border in the world then, seems like the key to world peace. Your right, they were a tripwire, a tripwire to a potential large scale war. A solution cannot be an American solution, it has to be made by the people who actually live there.
You think you're taking my point to task but you actually just agreed with me. It's not a new concept to our military planners. We have tripwires from North Korea to Eastern Europe. The Syrian tripwire was there to keep the Syrians and Turks at bay against the Kurds (an ally who helped defeat ISIS). I agree a solution can't be an American one, but you really don't think we could've came up with a better solution than that? (something, ironically, Trump knocked Obama for during his own draw-down).
They fought for themselves. This is like saying the US should have supported the Soviets after WW2 because they lost millions fighting the Germans.
The US had no obligation nor agreement to support the Kurds in all matters.
And what, you expect the US to go to war with Turkey? You want US forces to be at risk of Turkish military actions? You enjoy putting troops at risk or something?
Silly to imagine that the US would go to war with Turkey. Stop it. Please.
To quote the Dear Leader "Take the Oil".
Now the rest of the world has wised up and the Future is one where the USA won't be trusted anywhere for anything. No, not because of this ONE move. One can debate that.
But one cannot debate that this POTUS has proven a bad ally to...well, our allies and everyone else. Of course, he likes Saudis and folks like that. Why?
Thousands of Kurds died fighting ISIS, I guess no good dead goes unpunished. Good luck with getting allies in the future. The anger over this is bipartisan with the exception of Rand Paul. This is not a proud day for the US.
You do realize that Turkey is and has been a longterm ally of the U.S. and a Nato member. One far more important than the Kurds to the U.S. . Now do i think this i a good thing, of course not. But we can't stay everywhere to protect everyone. Its a no win situation for us in a region we are better off getting the heck out of. Any place they have been killing each other for centuries is a place we don't need to be.
If Trump would have sided with the Kurds, the Dems and the Anti-Trumpers would be saying we betrayed our Nato ally and we are playing right into Putin's hands as they have been trying to move Turkey closer to them for decades. In fact siding with the Kurds is absolutely proof of Trump being Putin's puppet. Impeach Trump. Really does anyone not believe this is what would be said.
Thousands of US soldiers have died fighting terror, what is your point?
Everything we've done over there has created enemies. How is Iraq doing after we toppled Sadam? How is Libya doing after we toppled Gaddafi? How is Egypt doing after we backed the Muslim Brotherhood? How is Syria doing exactly? All destabilized, all in shambles. Don't worry, maybe this time will be different.
We would still be fighting ISIS if not for the Kurds.
The Kurds are a non state entity, hiwever, Turkey is an ally and NATO member, and hosts US forces.
You probably been one of those crying "Trump abandons our allies", yet he is supporting one and you all still whine about it.
The Kurds are responsible for numerous terror attacks in Turkey, and been so for decades. Turkey had declared them a terror organization and rightly so. They are taking action all the same as to why the US has taken action in a dozen countries.
The "Kurds" are not a terrorist organization. They are a pluralistic democratic ethnic group that though great effort of their own managed to keep a fairly stable society going in the midst of chaos. The Kurds were never going to get that State, but had they it could have been a Westernized counterforce to ME chaos. Somewhat like Israel.
A subset of Turkish Kurds formed the PKK in response to Turkish repression. During the decades long struggle, Turkey massacred thousands, primarily its own Kurdish civilians. The US named PKK tactics as terrorist. The UN did not concur.
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What is unacceptable is the establishment of an area to instigate more terror attacks and revolts in Turkey.
Do you think the US would allow a large separatist group to be established in Mexico so they have a base to instigate rebelling and terror attacks against the US? You all are freaked out over a Confederate flag, lol, let alone something like that.
Turkey's internal struggle with the PKK is its business. The US countermovement against ISIS our business. The US has, at times, partnered directly with the PKK - for example, to rescue the Yazidis - a Christian-Islamic Kurdish ethnic group - from ISIS.
Turkey's going after the PKK in Syria. The PKK asserts some Turks have been aiding ISIS. The US role is to oppose ISIS. Not help out Turkey in Syria.
You do realize that Turkey is and has been a longterm ally of the U.S. and a Nato member. One far more important than the Kurds to the U.S. . Now do i think this i a good thing, of course not. But we can't stay everywhere to protect everyone. Its a no win situation for us in a region we are better off getting the heck out of. Any place they have been killing each other for centuries is a place we don't need to be.
If Trump would have sided with the Kurds, the Dems and the Anti-Trumpers would be saying we betrayed our Nato ally and we are playing right into Putin's hands as they have been trying to move Turkey closer to them for decades. In fact siding with the Kurds is absolutely proof of Trump being Putin's puppet. Impeach Trump. Really does anyone not believe this is what would be said.
How can that be so when we were already sided with the Kurds (and were as such under the Obama admin)? The only change was the turn to blind eye. Turkey threatened such a move before but didn't really follow through (how could they?).
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