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Old 10-13-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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"Asking a foreign national for anything of value for a political campaign is a felony."

Obama asked James Comey to investigate Trump before the 2016 election. Was that for political gain of hillary clinton?
This is a bizarre precedent. American politicians and their families could go to foreign countries several years before an election, engage in large amounts of corruption, and should the current president ask that country to look into that corruption... im impeach the president for wrongdoing.
Obviously that is stupid.

As a Trump supporter my standard is pretty easy. Same as used when Trump was investigated over Russia.
Was there good reason to believe Biden or his son were engaged in corruption?
I think there was. The fact it was a foreign country is irrelevant. Who else would investigate corruption in Ukraine? If Trump had to threaten Ukraine with holding back on funds, is that Trumps bad or him knowing he had to leverage some action from officials already in cahoots with Biden?
Theres a lot of ways to look at this but declaring that Trump asking another country imvestigate corruption by a US politician must be political gain is silly.
Then theres the obvious. If Biden wasnt engaged in deep wrongdoing to begin with... how could Trump gain anything politically by having him investigated? Can anyone answer that?
Is that Trumps high crime? Seeking the same transparancy on Bidens activities that Obama sought on Trump?
Spectator and World Nut Daily agree with you but no one else does and there`s a reason for that.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:52 AM
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He asked Ukraine to find out why the prosecution of Biden’s son was stopped.
No he did not just do that. And even if he did, why would he do that? Personal quest for foreign justice?
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Do these folks who are still in the dark about Trump's criminal behavior, are they able to read?

If not, do they have anyone who can read and explain things to them?
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:01 AM
DKM
 
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Then theres the obvious. If Biden wasnt engaged in deep wrongdoing to begin with... how could Trump gain anything politically by having him investigated? Can anyone answer that?
To answer your question, Trump could gain a lot from convincing a country to make an allegation into illegal activity by Biden and/or his son. He literally said what he "believed" Biden did wrong, so all he needed to do was get Ukraine to announce they are re-opening the case. Since the new president there is considered to be honest, it would have looked really bad for Biden heading into the primary season. Unfortunately for Trump, Ukraine's president is actually honest so he refused.

Hunter was hired to be on the board by a private company in Ukraine - probably because he had a famous father. Burisma was inviting high-profile Americans and Europeans to join the board at the time. Nothing unusual or illegal there.

What is unusual and illegal is to take money from Russian mafia sources, use a private lawyer to conduct state business and leverage the office of the president and the foreign policy of the USA to damage a political rival with fake criminal charges.

Its as anti american as it gets and its also corrupt.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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Do these folks who are still in the dark about Trump's criminal behavior, are they able to read?

We can, we just read and comprehend....you should try it sometimes....


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If not, do they have anyone who can read and explain things to them?



Maybe you can get a 1st grader to comprehend.....and help you out...
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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To answer your question, Trump could gain a lot from convincing a country to make an allegation into illegal activity by Biden and/or his son. He literally said what he "believed" Biden did wrong, so all he needed to do was get Ukraine to announce they are re-opening the case. Since the new president there is considered to be honest, it would have looked really bad for Biden heading into the primary season. Unfortunately for Trump, Ukraine's president is actually honest so he refused.

Hunter was hired to be on the board by a private company in Ukraine - probably because he had a famous father. Burisma was inviting high-profile Americans and Europeans to join the board at the time. Nothing unusual or illegal there.

What is unusual and illegal is to take money from Russian mafia sources, use a private lawyer to conduct state business and leverage the office of the president and the foreign policy of the USA to damage a political rival with fake criminal charges.

Its as anti american as it gets and its also corrupt.



Damn.....add some dem names into the mix and you have a perfect dossier....that was paid for by dems....


Yea, yea, yea...we know the repubs started it....then DROPPED it, and who picked it up and ran with it?
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No he did not just do that. And even if he did, why would he do that? Personal quest for foreign justice?
That’s all I take away from the transcript. As to why, the same reason Biden withheld funds, to find out the level of corruption, not unreasonable given a new administration.

But getting back to original intent of this thread, what US Code has been violated? Should be an easy answer with all the quacking about crimes being committed.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Well, you live in bizarre world but we all knew that. You're wrong, as usual.
IOW, don't believe your lying eyes by reading my OP.

You were hoodwinked. We all know it no matter how hard you try to pretend otherwise. Your attempts to deflect from admitting that are quite amusing.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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IOW, don't believe your lying eyes by reading my OP.

You were hoodwinked. We all know it no matter how hard you try to pretend otherwise. Your attempts to deflect from admitting that are quite amusing.
I've been reading Babylon bee ever since it started running, as most political junkies have been. Just because you limit yourself to Vox, Mediaite, HuffPost and all the other DNC brainwashing sites does not mean everyone does.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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"The U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, intends to tell Congress this week that the content of a text message he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by President Trump in a phone call, according to a person familiar with his testimony."
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