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Old 03-21-2020, 01:37 PM
 
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crimes against humanity

a deliberate act, typically as part of a systematic campaign, that causes human suffering or death on a large scale.

"he was handed over to the International Criminal Court in The Hague to face charges of crimes against humanity"

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...states are justified only by their capacity to protect their citizens, and, when their powers turn atrociously against a state’s own citizens, they lose all warrant, and those who direct and obey them become subject to judgment and sanction by the entire human community.

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Explain how keeping vital and critical information from the general population which caused a crisis to grow as opposed to doing all possible to fend it off and some even profiting from the tragedy is not a crime against humanity.
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:39 PM
 
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Chinese government. Must. Pay.
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Sooooo we're rounding up all those in government or just the folks on the opposite team?
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Old 03-21-2020, 02:04 PM
 
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crimes against humanity

a deliberate act, typically as part of a systematic campaign, that causes human suffering or death on a large scale.

"he was handed over to the International Criminal Court in The Hague to face charges of crimes against humanity"



Explain how keeping vital and critical information from the general population which caused a crisis to grow as opposed to doing all possible to fend it off and some even profiting from the tragedy is not a crime against humanity.
You keep trying mightily to put this on Trump, but it was the Chinese government who hid this outbreak, it was the Chinese government who has basically destroyed Italy, and it is the Chinese government who engages in blame shifting and propaganda because they don't want to be on the hook for the enormous bill for the damages to come.

Trump restricted travel to/from China back in January. Leftists like you said it was Xenophobic, racist, ... totally unwarranted. Turns out you people were wrong as usual. That one action from Trump flattened the curve on rate of spread of the virus. Your BS blathering on trying to score political points makes you look like a tool.
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Old 03-21-2020, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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China detained the doctor who tried to warn the world of this disease. He was talking about it on the popular chat app WeChat. They threatened to lock him up for 7 years if he ever spoke about the disease to anyone again. They should pay. And while they acknowledged the error of their way, the entire globe is now suffering as a result. If the disease doesn't kill ya, the financial fallout will be enough to cause pain and suffering for the majority.

We could have contained this early on. But the Chicoms denied the disease even existed early on, and had other plans... And here we are today.

Do you know that most Chinese citizens are too afraid to talk about this virus on WeChat to this day? The censorship campaign was far more thorough and precise than China's overall response to stop the virus, yet lefties praise the Chicom's handling of this. Sick.
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Old 03-21-2020, 04:47 PM
 
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You keep trying mightily to put this on Trump, but it was the Chinese government who hid this outbreak, it was the Chinese government who has basically destroyed Italy, and it is the Chinese government who engages in blame shifting and propaganda because they don't want to be on the hook for the enormous bill for the damages to come.

Trump restricted travel to/from China back in January. Leftists like you said it was Xenophobic, racist, ... totally unwarranted. Turns out you people were wrong as usual. That one action from Trump flattened the curve on rate of spread of the virus. Your BS blathering on trying to score political points makes you look like a tool.
Interesting that China first mentions the virus publicly the same day we announce our first case, over a month after it popped up on their radar.

Timeline...

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30: Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.

Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.

Dec. 31: Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.

China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.

Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioning eight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.

Jan. 2: Chinese researchers map the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18: The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.

Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20: The first case announced in South Korea.

Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.

Jan. 21: The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.

CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.

China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."

Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.
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Old 03-21-2020, 04:58 PM
 
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OP, tell us how stating that trump is a racist and provokes being a xenophobe all because the implemented a travel/restriction?
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Old 03-21-2020, 05:00 PM
 
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Chinese government. Must. Pay.
I would love to see the Chinese government absorb the cost of this $2T rescue package. They caused the problem with the deception and secrecy, and they should pay to make us "whole." (Of course, they can't make us whole entirely; the dead don't return to life.)
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Old 03-21-2020, 05:04 PM
 
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OP, tell us how stating that trump is a racist and provokes being a xenophobe all because the implemented a travel/restriction?
You didn't ask me, but I think this specific action should be hammered home in the Biden v Trump debate(s). On the very day that Trump instituted the travel ban (Jan 31), Biden said this was no time for Trump's xenophobia. Clearly, Biden, like so many liberals, is more focused on demonstrating how welcoming we are to foreigners - even foreigners from a country steaming with infected people - and would have no doubt delayed a ban. Impossible to calculate the human life that would have been lost had Biden been president based on that alone.

(Did you hear that some leftist Democrat tried to get legislation passed in early March to ban travel bans? IOW, she wanted to fight to allow all of Europe, including Italy, to fly in plane after plane.)
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Old 03-21-2020, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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You didn't ask me, but I think this specific action should be hammered home in the Biden v Trump debate(s). On the very day that Trump instituted the travel ban (Jan 31), Biden said this was no time for Trump's xenophobia. Clearly, Biden, like so many liberals, is more focused on demonstrating how welcoming we are to foreigners - even foreigners from a country steaming with infected people - and would have no doubt delayed a ban. Impossible to calculate the human life that would have been lost had Biden been president based on that alone.

(Did you hear that some leftist Democrat tried to get legislation passed in early March to ban travel bans? IOW, she wanted to fight to allow all of Europe, including Italy, to fly in plane after plane.)
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