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Old 06-14-2022, 06:12 AM
 
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I was in agreement until liberals chose to get into the business of dictating all citizens vaccine mandates.

Now I fully support making abortion illegal and having the many decide the business of a few.

When republicans are elected I will push for legislation outlawing jobs for those who are fat or sickly. Until they stop eating.
'Punish liberals' because you don't like an unrelated action.

Weird.
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:18 AM
 
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Is it your position that a fetus is A) a non-person throughout the entirety of gestation, B) becomes a person after a certain length of time following conception or C) becomes a person following some biological milestone?
Nothing is going to change your mind.

And as has been mentioned, the sides on this issue are entrenched.

All that matters is what the law is, and hopefully there won't be many more state/local laws that get in the way of a woman's decision.
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:18 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The way I see it is that abortion definitely is the killing of a fetus.

But if the parents did not want that fetus, then was its life worth living in the first place?

This is why it is tough for me to come down on one side or the other of this issue.
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Old 06-14-2022, 06:57 AM
 
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Ever since the Supreme Court leak, polls haven't changed. It hasn't hurt the Republicans nor helped the Democrats. Do most people in the US not care one way or the other? Especially because it doesn't affect them. Or maybe some DO care, but it won't be enough to change their voting one way or the other?
It does not directly affect me but I do care. I am not a one issue voter and in most cases would not change my vote based just on a politicians view on abortion.
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:00 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Ever since the Supreme Court leak, polls haven't changed. It hasn't hurt the Republicans nor helped the Democrats. Do most people in the US not care one way or the other? Especially because it doesn't affect them. Or maybe some DO care, but it won't be enough to change their voting one way or the other?
Or maybe they figure their state is going to keep the status quo.
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:01 AM
 
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I've never considered the issue very much in my life honestly. I always figured it was something that was done, settled and over with as far as the debate was concerned. Apparently, things may be changing. We'll see.






Does the health of an unborn baby matter not??? The issue many conservatives have is they believe life begins sometimes before the baby is born. People have a tendency to not approve of murder. You describe it as a women's health issue, but that's not the way everyone sees it.
If they believed that then they would pass legislation giving a fetus personhood status with all the rights and protections afforded a person. How can you murder something that is not a person?
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Most americans don't know the extent of it. However it's hard to guess what most americans are anymore. You judging it based off of election results? Or what the media portrays?
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:07 AM
 
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Most Americans want some abortion but most Americans also want restrictions on abortion. Roe versus Wade was a winner take all decision which gave the US among the most liberal abortion rights in the world. Most pro rights people don't realize that European and other western nations all restrict abortion too.

And for most people abortion is not a priority issue. I suspect most people know the likely short term outcome is severe restrictions in many states but full access in other states, so someone in a restricted state will just travel to California for an abortion. And life goes on.
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:09 AM
 
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I think this is a parallel in this country to how less people go to church & consider themselves religious. As that % of Americans has declined the % that are pro choice has risen.

Americans don't really grasp what abortion really is. You're literally killing an unborn child. There is no gray area about it. You can tell yourself that to help you get over it but it doesn't change what it is.

People do whatever they can to justify it too. Trying to act like rape & incest or the mothers life at risk as being reasons to keep it around yet those are small % of the # of abortions that happen & many pro life people actually are okay with those reasons.

What I don't understand is how anybody that considers themselves a Christian being pro choice. A Christian is supposed to live their life like Jesus would & I can guarantee you Jesus would be pro life. So to all you Christians that just don't grasp that let me give you one big tip. One day you're going to see God and that whole BS saying "my body my choice" probably is not going to sit to well with God if you tell him that's why you were pro choice.
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Old 06-14-2022, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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There's already super restrictive laws in places like Texas and Oklahoma (near total ban) and that hasn't affected anything.
I think people are waiting for the Supreme Court decision. Depending on how that goes will determine if anything can or should be done about the TX and OK laws.
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