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Old 08-08-2022, 09:26 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Facing critical races for governor and U.S. Senate, Democratic hopefuls in Wisconsin are hoping that their support for abortion rights in the face of a Supreme Court ruling that overturned Roe v. Wade can overcome the headwinds of a midterm election long expected to favor Republicans. But there’s one key group their strategies might fail to mobilize: Black voters.

An issue with strong support from white Democrats is more complicated in the Black community, especially among churchgoers who hold more conservative views on abortion. The topic is so fraught that most community organizers avoid bringing it up.

“Among the Black Baptist church alone, that would split us in half,” said David Liners, executive director of WISDOM, a faith-based organizing group with a statewide presence, when asked why his group isn’t organizing around abortion.
Link: https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/08...ortion-n488130

Abortion isn't the savior Democrats think it is.

Woke, brainwashed white young liberals treat abortion as a holy sacrament. Most people understand that it's ending a human life. Most people do NOT support the Democrats' extreme position of permissive elective abortion for any reason until birth.
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Old 08-08-2022, 09:28 AM
 
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Link: https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/08...ortion-n488130

Abortion isn't the savior Democrats think it is.

Woke, brainwashed white young liberals treat abortion as a holy sacrament. Most people understand that it's ending a human life. Most people do NOT support the Democrats' extreme position of permissive elective abortion for any reason until birth.
So are you suggesting in Kentucky it was just the Democrats who voted against the ban on all abortions?

I thought we had figured out long ago that there are folks on both sides that do not support a ban on abortions.
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Old 08-08-2022, 09:28 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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So are you suggesting in Kentucky it was just the Democrats who voted against the ban on all abortions?

I thought we had figured out long ago that there are folks on both sides that do not support a ban on abortions.
I'm suggesting that abortion isn't going to save the Democrats in the midterm elections.
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Old 08-08-2022, 10:30 AM
 
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I'm suggesting that abortion isn't going to save the Democrats in the midterm elections.
When you are in the middle of the ocean and drowning you grab onto any bit of hope that you can. Abortion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Trump is Evil. Just ignore Inflation, Gas prices, food shortages and being terrified everyday that your landlord is going to raise your rent and where will I and my family go?
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Old 08-08-2022, 11:34 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Conservative religious folks take a dim view of abortion? You don't say.

Saying it's a divisive issue is a long way from saying they'd vote Republican.
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Old 08-08-2022, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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So are you suggesting in Kentucky it was just the Democrats who voted against the ban on all abortions?

I thought we had figured out long ago that there are folks on both sides that do not support a ban on abortions.
The majority of Church groups, from my experience- will follow the pastor -and all the rules out front - Yes, amen brother! In reality, they break the rules themselves. Seen it. Seen it many times. Unfortunately with church they’re lots of hidden sin, where non-churchgoers just live the life. Bunch of hypocrites.
There’s a reason The Bible talks about beams in eyes and Jesus defiled the Pharisees
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Old 08-08-2022, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Conservative religious folks take a dim view of abortion? You don't say.

Saying it's a divisive issue is a long way from saying they'd vote Republican.



That is true but it is the Dems that are saying the abortion issue is swaying voters their way.



We all know that the Democrat elected are special interest fools that are catering to the Anti American Far Left Loonies and the Republicans need to capitalize on this but they are not.



If the Reps would just come out and say that they like the majority of Americans support common sense abortion Rights I think they would first lose their Far Right Religious types, but where are they going to turn, and then second they would gain many independent voters that need to escape from the extremism of the Left.



I wonder how the hundreds of thousands of "migrants" that come across the Border every month would vote on this? They tend to be fundamentally religions types that probably view abortion as evil.



The Democrats have become to extreme and they need a wake up call in the form of a blow out election to put them back on track.. if that is even possible.
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Old 08-08-2022, 11:51 AM
 
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Just to be straight... many black folks are against abortion... doesn't mean they will switch their vote on that alone.

Economy is a factor.

Jobs is a factor.

Safety is a factor.

Probably other things as well as you drill down the list.
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Old 08-08-2022, 11:58 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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That is true but it is the Dems that are saying the abortion issue is swaying voters their way.



We all know that the Democrat elected are special interest fools that are catering to the Anti American Far Left Loonies and the Republicans need to capitalize on this but they are not.



If the Reps would just come out and say that they like the majority of Americans support common sense abortion Rights I think they would first lose their Far Right Religious types, but where are they going to turn, and then second they would gain many independent voters that need to escape from the extremism of the Left.



I wonder how the hundreds of thousands of "migrants" that come across the Border every month would vote on this? They tend to be fundamentally religions types that probably view abortion as evil.



The Democrats have become to extreme and they need a wake up call in the form of a blow out election to put them back on track.. if that is even possible.

Swaying some voters their way? Almost certainly. How many is the real question.

I have to imagine these claims are in context of "independent" voters - hard core Repubs aren't going to be swayed by this, even the white suburban women. Hard core Dems aren't going to be swayed away from the party, because pro-choice has been a Dem plank since forever.

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Old 08-08-2022, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I wouldn't count on black voters to save us, that is unless they choose to not vote and deny Democrats votes that way. Ultimately, while black voters are more conservative than the average Democrat voter on the whole, black voters will still generally vote for whoever wins the Democrat primary. It hasn't failed in generations.
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