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Old 02-16-2024, 12:10 AM
 
Location: az
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California Rep. Barbara Lee gets down!!
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/arti...e-18670219.php
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Old 02-16-2024, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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California Rep. Barbara Lee gets down!!
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/arti...e-18670219.php
It's just a negotiating number. She knows there is absolutely zero chance that will happen. But start talking about a $50 minimum wage, and maybe a $20 or $25 minimum wage will start to sound like not such a bad idea to Republicans. It will probably still fall on deaf ears though. Republicans want slaves not wage earners.

A few years ago a $20 minimum wage would have been considered out of the question, but now some places have it.
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Old 02-16-2024, 12:36 AM
 
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It's just a negotiating number. She knows there is absolutely zero chance that will happen. But start talking about a $50 minimum wage, and maybe a $20 or $25 minimum wage will start to sound like not such a bad idea to Republicans. It will probably still fall on deaf ears though. Republicans want slaves not wage earners.

A few years ago a $20 minimum wage would have been considered out of the question, but now some places have it.
I doubt she knows much of anything.
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Old 02-16-2024, 02:57 AM
 
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Minimum wage does nothing except push the cost of living higher, which means quality of life stays about the same.

If you pay someone 25 an hour to mindlessly flip burgers, how much of a raise do you give someone whose job requires quite a bit of analytical skill? Probably about the same amount of raise you just gave the burger flipper.

Why can’t Barbara Lee see this? Or maybe she does, and knows it won’t help anyone, but will let her keep the low IQ vote in her district?
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Old 02-16-2024, 04:07 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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A few years ago a $20 minimum wage would have been considered out of the question, but now some places have it.
Including California, where this was proposed.

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It's just a negotiating number. She knows there is absolutely zero chance that will happen. But start talking about a $50 minimum wage, and maybe a $20 or $25 minimum wage will start to sound like not such a bad idea to Republicans.
See above.

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It will probably still fall on deaf ears though. Republicans want slaves not wage earners.
This has nothing to do with Republicans & Democrats. This has to do with the economy. The reason it's circling the drain is because people believe it's a Republican/Democrat thing. STOP LETTING THEM MANIPULATE YOU.

Start caring about the country.
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Old 02-16-2024, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Housing, Food and Healthcare are the high cost primary needs of everyone. Programs are currently in place in CA (and throughout most of the country) for housing subsidies for single persons earning minimum wage. There are also programs for food and significant ACA subsidies available at that income level. In many cases, raising the minimum wage reduces or eliminates the subsidies and actually makes it more difficult for low-skill workers to meet basic needs. Pushing the wage level to a point where the lowest-skilled jobs pay $50 an hour with the belief that at that wage level one can fully support themselves is a false pursuit. The multiplier effect of higher wages throughout the economy pushes the cost of the basic necessities disproportionately higher. As others pointed out, these wages do not move in a vacuum. A recalculation based on relative value of all other job classifications quickly spreads throughout the economy. A doctor currently starting out at about 5 times minimum wage would adjust to maintain the standard of living expected of someone in that profession in the new inflated environment. That cost would be passed on to everyone through increased health insurance costs. The same would be true for every other good, service, and product purchased. Anything less than a full adjustment of relative wages would lead to reduced demand for goods and services. Additionally, even if wages are adjusted, reduced demand for certain goods and services will result due to price aversion.

The solution lies in reducing the cost of basic necessities. Housing and health insurance are the two biggest ones affecting most low and moderate income families.
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Old 02-16-2024, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Minimum wage does nothing except push the cost of living higher, which means quality of life stays about the same.

If you pay someone 25 an hour to mindlessly flip burgers, how much of a raise do you give someone whose job requires quite a bit of analytical skill? Probably about the same amount of raise you just gave the burger flipper.

Why can’t Barbara Lee see this? Or maybe she does, and knows it won’t help anyone, but will let her keep the low IQ vote in her district?
Agree
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Old 02-16-2024, 05:21 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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If people are spending their entire adult lives in burger flipper jobs and need them to support themselves and their families then THAT is the problem, not the wage a burger flipper makes.
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Old 02-16-2024, 05:27 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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Minimum wage does nothing except push the cost of living higher, which means quality of life stays about the same.

If you pay someone 25 an hour to mindlessly flip burgers, how much of a raise do you give someone whose job requires quite a bit of analytical skill? Probably about the same amount of raise you just gave the burger flipper.

Why can’t Barbara Lee see this? Or maybe she does, and knows it won’t help anyone, but will let her keep the low IQ vote in her district?
Well to the socialist's mind the burger flipper and the analyst both have the same needs, and as the saying goes, to each according to their needs. It is not necessary that the more skilled worker receive a raise just because the general laborer did...his needs haven't changed. As to him working harder so maybe he should get more compensation well that's not how it works with them because your pay is based on need not skill. Remember the other half of that equation is "from each according to his ability" so if you have to work harder for your pittance it's only because you are able to. That's the part people like to ignore though.

There are some obvious flaws and consequences to that sort of arrangement but they ain't tryin to hear that. That free lunch no matter how little you put in to it is all they have their eyes on.
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Old 02-16-2024, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Minimum wage does nothing except push the cost of living higher, which means quality of life stays about the same.
Slumlords who think they have a right to charge $4,000 a month for a rundown roach infested 1 BR apartment in the ghetto do nothing except push up the cost of living higher. But you are okay with that aren't you? No wage can be too low, and no rent can be too high. Then you all wonder why workers demand higher wages.
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