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Cluster bombs are not made to look like toys, have you ever even seen or worked around them? Obviously not.
I do not beleive in cluster bombs being used in areas where there is an obvious civilian presence.
Want to talk about fallout from bombing, take a visit to Laos, i did a trip for 3 months and part of that time was touring with people who take care of bomb victims, the bomb vicimts are victims of bombs dropped by the US during the Vietnam war.
No one ever cared, cleaned up or nothing, there is a group down there (don't know if its an official agency but recalled them being sponsored by the Swiss) who do nothing but take in bombs and deactivate them. People are injured by bombs almost on a daily basis still to this day, it is rather sad.
Israel does influence our foreign policy in the Middleast. They sway to much influence upon our decision making. Their interests are seldom in our best interests. Lebanon is a great example of how blatently hypocritical we are in referance to Israel and their arab neighbors. If Syria had bombed Lebanon for the exact same reasons we would have been demanding UN Sanctions if not peace kepping troops led of course by our own military against Syria.
Israel does influence our foreign policy in the Middleast. They sway to much influence upon our decision making. Their interests are seldom in our best interests. Lebanon is a great example of how blatently hypocritical we are in referance to Israel and their arab neighbors. If Syria had bombed Lebanon for the exact same reasons we would have been demanding UN Sanctions if not peace kepping troops led of course by our own military against Syria.
Syria bombs Lebanon all the time - they are behind almost every political assassination that happens there - several a year. They occupied the country for decades, apart from Hizbollah who are on Syrias payroll, the rest of Lebanon hates them. I don't hear any demands for sanctions.
I saw it with my own eyes when I went down to Lebanon. And Lebanese news stations report about it whenever it happens (tends to be monthly a person is blown up). Obviously, not all the bombs are toys but many are.
You do realize that Hizbollah actually owns some of the news stations don't you? And that paranoid rumors circulate constantly. Last one was that balloons filled with poison gas were being used to kill civilians (some balloons had blown over the border from a party). People were going crazy. The Lebanese army had to collect them for testing and they were filled with.......helium.
You can't disguise cluster bombs as toys. Ask any ordinance specialist from the army. That's not how they work.
You have it backwards, the only reason Israel exists is because it serves the interests of big oil. They are instrumental in protecting the oil company’s interests in the region. Without Israel the Iraq/Iran war would not be possible and the oil companies could not secure the last and largest reserves in the world.
You have it backwards, the only reason Israel exists is because it serves the interests of big oil. They are instrumental in protecting the oil company’s interests in the region. Without Israel the Iraq/Iran war would not be possible and the oil companies could not secure the last and largest reserves in the world.
Please show how the heck oil companies are involved with the middle east?
Outside iraq, which is a recent, i do not see it.
Saudi Arabia has a state owned firm, so does Iran. So please show me how our, or anyones, privatized companies are in the middle east.
Our oil companies have no interest in the middle east other than logistics. Our oil comapnies are maong the smallest in the world, Exxon alone only accounts for 3% of the world market.
You do realize that Hizbollah actually owns some of the news stations don't you? And that paranoid rumors circulate constantly. Last one was that balloons filled with poison gas were being used to kill civilians (some balloons had blown over the border from a party). People were going crazy. The Lebanese army had to collect them for testing and they were filled with.......helium.
You can't disguise cluster bombs as toys. Ask any ordinance specialist from the army. That's not how they work.
I'm Lebanese man, I know about Hezbollah and I'm very anti-Hezbollah. In fact, I'll be rooting for Israel in the next Hezbollah-Israeli war. The news stations that reported these headlines about toy clusterbombs are the ones who are the most anti-Hezbollah. These people are more anti-Hezbollah than the Israelis are. LBC (founded by the Lebanese Forces, a former militia/now political party who allied with Israel during the Lebanese Civil War) and Future TV (founded by Rafik Hariri, anti-Syrian and anti-Hezbollah assassinated billionaire and former Prime Minister of Lebanon) were among the stations that reported them.
I never heard of the balloon rumor, but even if it is true, I'm not denying it's very Hezbollah of them to do. I'm not praising Hezbollah, they're terrorists who not only terrorized the world, but many Lebanese last month when the sieged West Beirut.
I'm not sure about the science behind it, but it happened. They made them into toys. Even the most staunch Israel supporters have to admit flaws in the State. And again, not all were toys. Some were put into cans, etc. Either way, what makes it right for Israel to bombard Lebanon (not just Hezbollah areas, the majority civilian areas)?
I'm not sure about the science behind it, but it happened. They made them into toys. Even the most staunch Israel supporters have to admit flaws in the State. And again, not all were toys. Some were put into cans, etc. Either way, what makes it right for Israel to bombard Lebanon (not just Hezbollah areas, the majority civilian areas)?
I'm not defending cluster bombs. Nor am I defending ariel bombardment. I am saying that what you are suggesting is physically impossible, and reeks of Hizbollah propaganda. It wouldn't be very hard, in a controlled area, to take a few journalists and concerned people to a bombed town, show them some toys and cans with explosives inside and claim they demonstrate the "evil Israelis attack children". It is a classic propaganda ploy, perfectly reasonable that they would do it as part and parcel of war and not the first time they have pulled those kinds of stunts. It is our job as observers to make sure that we don't just accept whatever we are told but to actually think about it. I have seen literally TONS of faked "evidence of atrocities" - one German paper actually spent a fortune checking many claims out scientifically and found a ton of hoaxes.
I wish you well. I am not Lebanese but have many many Lebanese friends, of many faiths and backgrounds. It is a tragedy to see how the country is pulled apart and I hope you can build the democracy so many people from your country truly want.
I'm Lebanese man, I know about Hezbollah and I'm very anti-Hezbollah. In fact, I'll be rooting for Israel in the next Hezbollah-Israeli war. The news stations that reported these headlines about toy clusterbombs are the ones who are the most anti-Hezbollah. These people are more anti-Hezbollah than the Israelis are. LBC (founded by the Lebanese Forces, a former militia/now political party who allied with Israel during the Lebanese Civil War) and Future TV (founded by Rafik Hariri, anti-Syrian and anti-Hezbollah assassinated billionaire and former Prime Minister of Lebanon) were among the stations that reported them.
I never heard of the balloon rumor, but even if it is true, I'm not denying it's very Hezbollah of them to do. I'm not praising Hezbollah, they're terrorists who not only terrorized the world, but many Lebanese last month when the sieged West Beirut.
I'm not sure about the science behind it, but it happened. They made them into toys. Even the most staunch Israel supporters have to admit flaws in the State. And again, not all were toys. Some were put into cans, etc. Either way, what makes it right for Israel to bombard Lebanon (not just Hezbollah areas, the majority civilian areas)?
This screams of fraud. Seriously, the Israeli's are not so stupid as to do something like this.
Shoot a missle into a Hamas leaders car while he's in a residential neighborhood? Yes.
Intentionally put out explosive toys for lebanese children? Sorry, I'm not falling for that bit of propaganda.
Please do a google search and link to an article. If this has any truth it would have been ALL OVER reuters and other news outlets.
Another question isn't how much those Lebanese newspapers hate Hamas...it's how much they might hate Israel? Claiming they wouldn't have a bias against Israel because they might also hate Hamas is illogical.
Interviews with the UN guy in charge of clearing land mines and cluster bombs in Lebanon. Critical of their use, but unequivicably NOT disguised as toys (although some kids may see them and pick them up THINKING they are toys, or at least interesting).
"Chris Clark is the program manager for the United Nations Mine Action group. He dismisses rumors that the bomblets are deliberately disguised as toys, but he says cluster bombs have long been a problem in this region. "
http://www.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20060814/043647.html (broken link)
"Clark said no explosive devices are disguised as toys. "Everything is
straight ordnance," he said."
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