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Old 06-29-2008, 04:29 PM
 
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Yeah, that is basically my thoughts as well.

However, I do understand exactly what our ItalianAmericanInTexas is trying to say without getting thrown under the bus. Unfortunately he isn't fareing very well!

As he mentioned--this is kind of a loaded subject which will not go far lest the labels and various assertions. Wishing to avoid the same I will simply say--I know exactly what he is saying and I will leave it at that.
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This is correct. This nation has always been an ongoing 'work in progress', and here, more than anywhere on earth, we really ARE the 'masters of our own destiny'. As a free people, our society is, and will continue to be, what we make it.

Ongoing freedom and prosperity will happen (if it does) because "we" make the effort to ensure that it happens....by playing down our 'differences' and emphasizing our common goals. This will depend on our being able to define just exactly how we define ourselves...in other words, what do we mean when we call ourselves "us".

On the other hand, a gradual descent into a contentious, balkanized society of hostile ethnic groups, held together by force of law, each resentful of the others, may ALSO happen. And if it does, it will be because we "let" it happen. This will happen if we can't agree on a definition of "us". Or if we don't see our laws as being 'fair'...or why we should obey them, if we don't agree with them.

Unfortunately, the FIRST scenario is exceedingly rare in history...a truly free multiracial society, enjoying a high level of prosperity, and a high level of individual freedom AND personal accountability, held together under a benevolent, mutually-agreed upon set of laws, emphasizing a shared sense of "we-ness" (i.e. 'nationhood'). Only a VERY FEW places fit this description..and the US has always been one of them....so far.

The SECOND scenario is depressingly common...a balkanized multicultural collection of various 'tribes', each jealously cognizant of ITS 'uniqueness', while making sure the other groups don't 'get away' with more than their share.....with a STRONG sense of ethnic pride, a strong sense of "group rights", a weak sense of personal accountability, a general mistrust of "the law", and a very WEAK sense of common purpose or 'nationhood'. This describes MANY societies...Most of them, unfortunately, violent, third-world places.

This is a free society. How we choose to 'run' it will determine whether it stays that way or not. But membership in the prosperous "First World" is not guaranteed. It can be lost, unless the effort is put forth to 'take care' of things. If this happens, the Third World is a big place....and there's plenty of room there for us, if that's what we choose.
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Old 06-29-2008, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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Yeah, that is basically my thoughts as well.

However, I do understand exactly what our ItalianAmericanInTexas is trying to say without getting thrown under the bus. Unfortunately he isn't fareing very well!

As he mentioned--this is kind of a loaded subject which will not go far lest the labels and various assertions. Wishing to avoid the same I will simply say--I know exactly what he is saying and I will leave it at that.
Have a great weekend everyone.

Yeah, I understand his position also, but I refuse to get into an argument about it on here. I've been trying to stay out of this forum lately.
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Old 01-01-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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Whatever happens in this regard should probably be fine.

I may not like it if the average person looked like [ opinion left out ] but it doesn't mean they're less valuable.

I'm white and I don't regard anyone as less pleasant over them not being white.

but it seems like the far left would like white people to become a minority due to resentment and /or "diversity" in which I resent the far left because of that.
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