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Old 12-07-2007, 11:58 AM
 
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Climate change signs are already here and its too late to stop disaster. But we can make an impact by quickly making radical changes, all the world must comply with this. The experts have spoken and we don't have much time left:

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Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion -- Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

This cooling trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century -- Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. -- Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000. -- Lowell Ponte "The Cooling", 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. -- Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

Haven't we heard all this before? Oh wait, its not that we've heard it before. Its that we are hearing it now. Global cooling became global warming became climate change. Regardless, those pushing it are seriously compelled to convince people we are all going to die if we don't buy into it.

The climate conference in Bali produced more CO2 than 20,000 cars do in 1 year. Their solution? Plant 79 million trees in Indonesia to "offset" the damage. These trees will take 20-30 years to mature. I thought we only had 10 years left to avert disaster according to Al Gore in 1992 and 2002 and 2005, etc.

I really am having a hard time believing that people are falling for this AGAIN. Why can't the environuts just focus on real existing problems rather than always seeing the boogeyman waiting for us in the future?

Do people REALLY think that we are all going to die from global warming?
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Old 12-07-2007, 12:31 PM
 
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LOL... you forget that after 10 years and no disaster the time table will become 20 years and if nothing happens then 50 years... and then all sudden, its because the global warming "experts" were able to cast a spell that made everything better... whew... we are safe now... good thing we have a lot people in pointy hats who know everything and miraculously wave their wands to make everything when we couldn't control CO2 emissions... that is until the next disaster hits... Ice Age anyone? I hear if you cut down trees we will be entering into an ice age sooner, the trends of tree cut and declining temperature has been well studied by the "experts" in case you didn't know... these things like to defy the laws of physics for some reason...
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Old 12-07-2007, 12:56 PM
 
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Come on. Give a guy a break. . . A former VP with a failed run for President has got to be able to make a living and get a prize somehow (and stroke his wounded ego).
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:14 PM
 
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You think Global Warming is a hoax? They've been talking about it in the press since the late 80's. It isn't a new thing. What's new is more and more people are taking it seriously and the political climate in the US is changing. Even major business interests are comming around to taking the issue seriously.

Global warming could indeed threaten alot of species on the Earth, including humans. Look up "oceanic anoxic event". If the oceans absorb enough CO2, they will become like soda water. Acidic. This will harm any organism that depends on storing calcium to form shells; everything from zooplankton, mollusks, to corals. Eventually the CO2 levels will get so high that plankton start dying and this will destabilize food chains all the way ut to vertebrates. Their corpses will form hydrogen sulfide, a toxic gas. You can already observe these effects today- corals are dying off and jellyfish, which have no shells, are proliferating. A salmon run in Ireland was recently devestated by a huge swarm of jellyfish, and Japanese fishermen have noted similar events. Photo in the News: Giant Jellyfish Invade Japan
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:19 PM
 
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You think Global Warming is a hoax? They've been talking about it in the press since the late 80's. It isn't a new thing. What's new is more and more people are taking it seriously and the political climate in the US is changing. Even major business interests are comming around to taking the issue seriously.

Global warming could indeed threaten alot of species on the Earth, including humans. Look up "oceanic anoxic event". If the oceans absorb enough CO2, they will become like soda water. Acidic. This will harm any organism that depends on storing calcium to form shells; everything from zooplankton, mollusks, to corals. Eventually the CO2 levels will get so high that plankton start dying and this will destabilize food chains all the way ut to vertebrates. Their corpses will form hydrogen sulfide, a toxic gas. You can already observe these effects today- corals are dying off and jellyfish, which have no shells, are proliferating. A salmon run in Ireland was recently devestated by a huge swarm of jellyfish, and Japanese fishermen have noted similar events. Photo in the News: Giant Jellyfish Invade Japan
That was the point of my post. There was a surge in this type of thinking in the 1970's and a lot of the statements being made then were exactly parallel to what is being said today about global warming, only difference is it was global cooling then. It was said that if we didn't stop pollution, we were heading for an ice age.

Most specifically parallelled to the rhetoric today was this:

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There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. -- Newsweek, April 28, (1975)
So the evidence was accumulating so fast in 1975 that they couldn't hardly keep up with it? Lol, same crap, different generation.
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:22 PM
 
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Hoax might be too strong a word. But like the OP stated, years ago global cooling, today warming. Yes, the earth's climate is going to change and fluctuate.

Many years ago they had vineyards in England because it was much warmer then.

We may indeed be in a period of "global warming" but is it man made, is it as potentially devastataing as the fear-mongers would have us believe?
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Old 12-07-2007, 02:02 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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My question has always been....

So???

What if there is global warming, how will your proposals guarantee to reverse the effects?

The answer eventually comes down to 'better to do something ineffectual and appear to be concerned' than to be labeled uncaring.

So....those who want 'something done', what is your proposal to REVERSE the effects of global warming??
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Old 12-07-2007, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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It's not a question of doing anything to affect global warming.

It's about making ourselves feel less guilty for living in this amazingly beautiful world, which we do not deserve.
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Old 12-07-2007, 02:37 PM
 
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My question has always been....

So???

What if there is global warming, how will your proposals guarantee to reverse the effects?

The answer eventually comes down to 'better to do something ineffectual and appear to be concerned' than to be labeled uncaring.

So....those who want 'something done', what is your proposal to REVERSE the effects of global warming??
Lol.

The argument goes that we must do something immediately in order to prevent the extinction of mankind. So most of our ignorant government bodies have put together these climate change fighting programs that would roll greenhouse gas emissions back to 1990 levels, and some of them call for cuts of 50% below 1990 levels by 2030 if we are to avert catastrophe and extinction. Yet 50% below 1990 levels simply puts us back to roughly 1930's level, which oddly is when the last warm up peaked and things started leveling off for quiet a while until the 1980's. And to hear it told, our emissions started affecting the world climate long before 1930, it all began with industrialization which puts global warming due to humans back to the 1800's. So if we are to really believe these fools, we must immediately slash greenhouse gas emissions to PRE-1800 levels to have any real effect on this so called crisis.

But you would never hear them say that because they want people to believe that:

We caused global warming
We can fix global warming
Its expensive, but just make everybody pay and we can fix it
Part of fixing it means wealth redistribution
Part of fixing it means taxes on CARBON, meaning ANYTHING is taxable, possibly breathing
We are ALL going to die and go extinct REALLY soon if we don't fix it. The latest scare theories have 70% of all species going extinct before 2100. The scaremongering just keeps getting more and more shrill and ridiculous. Its almost like the regular news is like The Onion. Sometimes I could swear they are just trying to make you laugh with fake news.

Again though, does anyone here really believe global warming is going to cause human extinction, and more specifically this century as some are trying to claim?
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Boise
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I wish global warming would hurry up. I'm cold, I want beachfront property, and I want a palm tree in my front yard, with oranges in the back.
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