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I noticed a couple of people on the left insisting they wanted to defend their beliefs. I've also noticed that many of them can't give clear and principled answers to the questions of "What do you believe?"
So, I'm asking these questions, as they get to the heart of why people (specifically libertarians liberals) have strong beliefs about certain policy demands, yet can't explain the reasoning behind them. So, this is not just the chance, but if you actually believe something, to see it debated and measured...
1. Why do you think the government should or should not be involved in charity?
2. At what point does the government taking your paycheck become theft?
3. What percentage of what you earn morally belongs to someone else, not you?
4. What is wrong with true ownership of property (this is not just "land" but anything you can own, whether it's a book, a farm, or money)?
5. What is the moral authority for you to insist on controlling ANY aspect of another person's life, such as business, property, contractual obligations, or medical care, to name a few?
1. I lean left but I'm opposed to the wellfare system, I only think the government should provide charity in emergency situations. The government is not an arbitrary entity, but is really just a name for the things we all do together. I think it's good for the community to help those in dire need, and when those get back on their feet, they can do the same for others that might fall into plight.
2. When they spend money on things based on lies and that my elected officials didn't vote for, such as the Iraq War. Both my senators voted against it, and the pretense ended up being completely false, and me and my children and grand children will be forced to pay back trillions of dollars for something that was based on a false pretense and that I was adamantly against. I feel the same about the abuse of wellfare, but at least the money is staying in the country.
3. There is no ablosute answer. It is relative depending on what the community has agreed on.
4. Again this is a relative and diverse question. Nothing wrong with true ownership of books. But True ownership of certain things such as incredibly large swaths of land is wrong for a variety of reasons that any medieval history book can explain. Look up feudalism.
5. The only moral authority for control is to prevent someone from hurting someone else. This is why conservative laws against homosexuality, marijuana, buying alcohol on Sundays (in the south), pornography, etc, have no moral authoritative backing, because they don't hurt others in the community. Big businesses can crash entire economies with reckless practices, so government control over them is morally justified.
I noticed a couple of people on the left insisting they wanted to defend their beliefs. I've also noticed that many of them can't give clear and principled answers to the questions of "What do you believe?"
So, I'm asking these questions, as they get to the heart of why people (specifically libertarians liberals) have strong beliefs about certain policy demands, yet can't explain the reasoning behind them. So, this is not just the chance, but if you actually believe something, to see it debated and measured...
1. Why do you think the government should or should not be involved in charity?
I presume you are referring to our welfare and safety net system. The answer is because in the past charity by churchs etc was not sufficient to get the job done. I know many on the right argue we should go back to that with some thought that it would cut it-the reality is it didn't work back then, and its not going to work better now. The world has changed. Technology has changed it.
So why not just do it anyways? Because i am a compassionate man who HAS used the safety nets I help pay for now. Welfare when I was young before joining the military, and unemployment back in 2008. I do recognize that some folks abuse it, but I also recognize how much it matters for those who just need a hand for a bit.....who go back to paying for it later.
And finally because I recognize how vital they will be in the future as some of the new technology that I, and others like me, work on. The unemployment coming will be crazy, but so will the productivity. Its a new world coming, but the transitions going to be brutal.
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2. At what point does the government taking your paycheck become theft?
If it takes more then that which we as a country has agreed to via our elected representatives.
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3. What percentage of what you earn morally belongs to someone else, not you?
Morally? As much as we as a society has agreed. Money isnt even a thing anymore, its mostly electronic. Would you feel better if the govt just printed it instead of taxed it? Inflated it?
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4. What is wrong with true ownership of property (this is not just "land" but anything you can own, whether it's a book, a farm, or money)?
Nothing, why? I do have some arguments about copyright lengths if you want to discuss that. I think we've extended them WAY past whats a good idea.
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5. What is the moral authority for you to insist on controlling ANY aspect of another person's life, such as business, property, contractual obligations, or medical care, to name a few?
You're part of a society. You do have the opportunity to leave that society, but you can't make use of all the benefits and then refuse to engage in any of the costs.
1. I lean left but I'm opposed to the wellfare system, I only think the government should provide charity in emergency situations. The government is not an arbitrary entity, but is really just a name for the things we all do together. I think it's good for the community to help those in dire need, and when those get back on their feet, they can do the same for others that might fall into plight.
2. When they spend money on things based on lies and that my elected officials didn't vote for, such as the Iraq War. Both my senators voted against it, and the pretense ended up being completely false, and me and my children and grand children will be forced to pay back trillions of dollars for something that was based on a false pretense and that I was adamantly against. I feel the same about the abuse of wellfare, but at least the money is staying in the country.
3. There is no ablosute answer. It is relative depending on what the community has agreed on.
4. Again this is a relative and diverse question. Nothing wrong with true ownership of books. But True ownership of certain things such as incredibly large swaths of land is wrong for a variety of reasons that any medieval history book can explain. Look up feudalism.
5. The only moral authority for control is to prevent someone from hurting someone else. This is why conservative laws against homosexuality, marijuana, buying alcohol on Sundays (in the south), pornography, etc, have no moral authoritative backing, because they don't hurt others in the community. Big businesses can crash entire economies with reckless practices, so government control over them is morally justified.
Thank you for responding.
Would it be too much to ask if you actually answered the questions?
Would it be too much to ask if you actually answered the questions?
I answered ever single question directly. Read again carefully this time and try to use basic reading comprehension skills (which we learned in college, something you obviously never went to). If you still don't get it, I can post the exact sentences in each answered paragraph where I specifically answered the question.
This I why I rarely post on here anymore. People are so dumb you can't even have a decent debate. One person told me "militarism" wasn't a word and that I made it up lol. What a joke
Here's a hint. Read your question then read either the first sentence or the last sentence in the answers I gave to it.
I presume you are referring to our welfare and safety net system.
Just answer the actual question.
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If it takes more then that which we as a country has agreed to via our elected representatives.
Who agreed to it? I didn't. What right have you to impose your morality on my paycheck?
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Morally? As much as we as a society has agreed. Money isnt even a thing anymore, its mostly electronic. Would you feel better if the govt just printed it instead of taxed it? Inflated it?
Morality is defined as what YOU SAY IS MAJORITY OPINION?
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Nothing, why? I do have some arguments about copyright lengths if you want to discuss that. I think we've extended them WAY past whats a good idea.
So, you believe in absolute ownership of your property?
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You're part of a society. You do have the opportunity to leave that society, but you can't make use of all the benefits and then refuse to engage in any of the costs.
I'm sorry, what costs?
I spend my entire work day (and sometimes other times as well) for the benefit of other people, for which I take home a rather small paycheck. For this privilege, I owe others? Explain.
I answered ever single question directly. Read again carefully this time and try to use basic reading comprehension skills (which we learned in college, something you obviously never went to). If you still don't get it, I can post the exact sentences in each answered paragraph where I specifically answered the question.
No, actually you did not.
For instance, this question:
1. Why do you think the government should or should not be involved in charity?
Which you did not actually address at all. You said that you think the government should provide charity in emergency situation. This doesn't say "why" except that it's your opinion.
Then you said " The government is not an arbitrary entity, but is really just a name for the things we all do together." which is completely off-topic. As wrong as wrong can be, but still off-topic. I do things with other people, and it is NOT government. At all. So, A cannot equal B, if B does not equal A.
Then: "I think it's good for the community to help those in dire need, and when those get back on their feet, they can do the same for others that might fall into plight."
I noticed a couple of people on the left insisting they wanted to defend their beliefs. I've also noticed that many of them can't give clear and principled answers to the questions of "What do you believe?"
So, I'm asking these questions, as they get to the heart of why people (specifically libertarians liberals) have strong beliefs about certain policy demands, yet can't explain the reasoning behind them. So, this is not just the chance, but if you actually believe something, to see it debated and measured...
1. Why do you think the government should or should not be involved in charity?
2. At what point does the government taking your paycheck become theft?
3. What percentage of what you earn morally belongs to someone else, not you?
4. What is wrong with true ownership of property (this is not just "land" but anything you can own, whether it's a book, a farm, or money)?
5. What is the moral authority for you to insist on controlling ANY aspect of another person's life, such as business, property, contractual obligations, or medical care, to name a few?
1. Because having tried depending on charities alone to help our fellow Citizens in need proved to not be enough and in a Nation as wealthy as we are there in no Moral reason why we should not spend taxpayer dollars to assist them.
2. When they are wasting the money they collect and/or are getting more than they need to fund the approved expenses.
3. 0%
4. Nothing is wrong with ownership.
5. A Business is not a person so hence does not hold the same rights as a person, no matter what the Supreme Court says on the matter, hence they can be regulated and made to follow rules and guidelines. As for Property rights you have the right to maintain or do with your own property as you wish so long as it does not violate the laws of the land, meaning pumping pollution into the local creek or river is not allowed because your actions have an impact on others. Contractual obligations can be governed because once again your failure to abide by your agreements can and does harm to others. Medical care is one you should have avoided, because while the left want to make sure you have healthcare coverage it is the Cons that want to control what medical procedures a person has, otherwise there would be no point to the right-to-life movement, same applies to stem cell research.
I noticed a couple of people on the left insisting they wanted to defend their beliefs. I've also noticed that many of them can't give clear and principled answers to the questions of "What do you believe?"
So, I'm asking these questions, as they get to the heart of why people (specifically libertarians liberals) have strong beliefs about certain policy demands, yet can't explain the reasoning behind them. So, this is not just the chance, but if you actually believe something, to see it debated and measured...
1. Why do you think the government should or should not be involved in charity?
2. At what point does the government taking your paycheck become theft?
3. What percentage of what you earn morally belongs to someone else, not you?
4. What is wrong with true ownership of property (this is not just "land" but anything you can own, whether it's a book, a farm, or money)?
5. What is the moral authority for you to insist on controlling ANY aspect of another person's life, such as business, property, contractual obligations, or medical care, to name a few?
1 If something is not permitted under our Constitution, the federal government simply cannot do it
2 Any because it is illegal because of the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States was never properly ratified
3 None I earned it belongs to no one else
4 I am for Sole ownership, Joint ownership and title by contract
5 None mind you own business
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