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Prime example: Governor Palin of Alaska who McCain chose as his running mate. She is staunchly pro life/anti abortion, which is her business ... but in her case, "pro life" apparently means having five children, and sticking them in public school at the taxpayers' expense! Apparently, "pro life" now means that Sarah's teenage daughter can become pregnant out of wedlock ... and instead of being ashamed, her mother is actually proud that she's going to become a grandmother in her mid 40s!
Sorry, but 40 or 50 years ago, a social conservative practiced what he/she preached. A true social conservative used to be one who didn't believe in having sex before marriage ... and most certainly didn't tolerate out of wedlock pregnancies. Even so, true conservatives at one time wouldn't have had children in or outside of marriage unless they could AFFORD it completely on their own terms!
These days, many people who refer to themselves as social conservatives, or members of the religious right are nothing but hypocrites. They seem to think it's OK to screw around & have all the kids one is capable of having (whether you're married or not) .... so long as you're against abortion, etc. Never mind that taxpayers will have to end up supporting these kids in some shape or form. Fiscal responsibility seems to have been put on the back burner by many so called social conservatives, along with the morality of being married before getting pregnant!
I'm sorry, but could you answer this question for me?
How does Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter getting pregnant make her (Sarah) a hypocrite or less conservative?
This argument keeps getting presented over and over again and absolutely holds no water. Sarah Palin is still a conservative. Last time I checked, her daughter is the one that got pregnant. This doesn't mean that Sarah Palin didn't attempt to instill some modicum of conservative values in her daughter. What it means is, her daughter is 17, and like 75% of 17 year olds, had sex even against her parents' wishes. So wow! Bristol Palin is like almost every other teenager. Don't pull this high-and-mighty crap like you don't remember what it was like to be in high school. I am a Christian conservative, but it took a LONG time and a LOT of mistakes along the way to get here. I was NO angel in high school.
So, please. Unless you can answer the question I asked, why bother even posting on this subject?
Valley Native likes to go off topic a lot. For him, everything is about socialism and spending, even when it's not (such as this thread). I just ignore him.
I'm sorry, but could you answer this question for me?
How does Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter getting pregnant make her (Sarah) a hypocrite or less conservative?
This argument keeps getting presented over and over again and absolutely holds no water. Sarah Palin is still a conservative. Last time I checked, her daughter is the one that got pregnant. This doesn't mean that Sarah Palin didn't attempt to instill some modicum of conservative values in her daughter. What it means is, her daughter is 17, and like 75% of 17 year olds, had sex even against her parents' wishes. So wow! Bristol Palin is like almost every other teenager. Don't pull this high-and-mighty crap like you don't remember what it was like to be in high school. I am a Christian conservative, but it took a LONG time and a LOT of mistakes along the way to get here. I was NO angel in high school.
So, please. Unless you can answer the question I asked, why bother even posting on this subject?
It actually shows that Sarah Palin IS conservative - not teaching her daughter about birth control, and being for abstinence only programs in the schools. And, as we see here, it doesn't work.
Just because you claim to be "something" doesn't make you are that person... I could claim to be a descendant from God... does it make it true? She panders to votes so she calls herself a social conservative but she is anything but... To the old adage "Do as I say and not as I do!"... Liberals are incredibly guilty of this... they advocate stealing from those with more money than them but let Hell freeze over before anyone steals their money to feed the people of Africa... they'll just ask to steal more money from the same people to feed the people of Africa... like the tiered tax system... they call it progressive because more money isn't stolen from them... raise taxes... just not MY taxes...
I'm sorry, but could you answer this question for me?
How does Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter getting pregnant make her (Sarah) a hypocrite or less conservative?
Because of her attitude toward her daughter's unwed pregnancy. She actually supports it, and welcomes the fact that she's going to be getting a granddaughter. Maybe I'm just extremely old fashioned, but I remember when I was younger, the true moralists would have been down right ashamed of their teenage kids if they were knocked up. Sarah Palin seems to be anything but embarrassed!
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What it means is, her daughter is 17, and like 75% of 17 year olds, had sex even against her parents' wishes. So wow! Bristol Palin is like almost every other teenager. Don't pull this high-and-mighty crap like you don't remember what it was like to be in high school. I am a Christian conservative, but it took a LONG time and a LOT of mistakes along the way to get here. I was NO angel in high school.
Doesn't it seem funny that most so called "Christian conservatives" were anything but moral and religious in their younger years?! They had "fun" in their teens & 20s when they drank heavily, did drugs, had promiscuous sex, etc. ... but suddenly, they somehow "found God", and now they're dictating to everyone else about personal issues like marriage, family values, abortion, homosexuality, etc. Seems pretty hypocritical!
On the other hand, there are others (like me) who lived a clean life for the most part & hardly ever got in trouble. Some of us always took responsibility & precautions ... therefore, we never needed to be a so called "reborn" or a "convert" to cover up any wrong doing, or careless behavior. It seems to me that if you're truly committed to Christianity and morals, you would have started at an early age, and lived your life responsibly then ... not many years later. Just my opinion.
I would, faced with the same circumstances, give my child all the love and care possible to help them welcome a new life into the world.
I do not buy into Valley Natives diatribes about burdening anyone with this child - there seems to be a good family support system here -
As for Valley Natives assertion that this child will be a burden on the taxpayers - through the public schools - I don't buy that either. Nor, does the Libertarian platform promote doing away with a public school system.
Frankly, some are making far to much about this issue IMO - it is a private matter for the family. I feel confident that this young woman and her husband to be wll do just fine.
Right, but you're missing the point. The republicans pride themselves on family values. Advertising their group to be on a higher moral ground than the "secular" Democrats. Then their ministers get caught sniffing meth off the backside of gay escorts. Their congressmen get caught soliciting male teenage pages for sex and quickies in the airport men's restroom.
Now we have a new republican veep who is against sex ed classes and has a teenage daughter with a baby bump. Where are the morals again?
Truth is nobody owns a "higher morality" card here. People are people. The republicans try to appeal to the conservative Christian base by using this argument, which is obviously patently false. So, to turn around and scream "Monica!" doesn't make much sense. Dems aren't marching around claiming to be holier than though, only the right are.
As for Valley Natives assertion that this child will be a burden on the taxpayers - through the public schools - I don't buy that either. Nor, does the Libertarian platform promote doing away with a public school system.
Great Day, did you read the links I provided in the other thread about the Libertarians' position on education? Ron Paul himself has advocated removing the government from the school system. Granted, Libertarians don't stand much of a chance of being elected to any major office ... but that's because our country has sadly veered away from the principles of our founding fathers of self sufficiency & freedom of choice. Most everybody votes Republicrat or Demopublican because they WANT Big Brother in their lives.
The founders of our nation would have been considered Libertarians, if there was such a term back then. Even Barry Goldwater would now be a Libertarian if he was alive and ran for office on the same beliefs that he had during his time. I think it's pretty sad that we've become a nation that coddles people who didn't take responsibility & precautions. That not only includes sex, but other things like the housing/loan problem we're faced with.
I'm sorry, but could you answer this question for me?
How does Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter getting pregnant make her (Sarah) a hypocrite or less conservative?
This argument keeps getting presented over and over again and absolutely holds no water. Sarah Palin is still a conservative. Last time I checked, her daughter is the one that got pregnant. This doesn't mean that Sarah Palin didn't attempt to instill some modicum of conservative values in her daughter. What it means is, her daughter is 17, and like 75% of 17 year olds, had sex even against her parents' wishes. So wow! Bristol Palin is like almost every other teenager. Don't pull this high-and-mighty crap like you don't remember what it was like to be in high school. I am a Christian conservative, but it took a LONG time and a LOT of mistakes along the way to get here. I was NO angel in high school.
So, please. Unless you can answer the question I asked, why bother even posting on this subject?
I totally agree with your post, I don't think the actions of her daughter can reflect the choices and judgement of sarah.. 17 year olds are going to do what they want.. sometimes learning the hard way..
But one thing that must be pointed out though is the agenda of Sarah Palin and the GOP. They are in favor of abstinence only education in regards to sex education being taught in the schools. If abstinence only worked so well, why did the govenor's daughter end up knocked up? These are some of the questions we need to be asking... its not about her daughter getting pregnant.. its about failed policies they promote... and being out of touch with the reality out there.
Ron Paul himself has advocated removing the government from the school system.
No one cares what the idiot Pon Raul thinks.
The school systems were run by the communities until people allowed the former-federal-turned-national government to start interfering.
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The founders of our nation would have been considered Libertarians, if there was such a term back then.
No, they wouldn't have been. Their form of government was just a plagiarized version of Plato's Republic, ripped right from it, right down to the system of checks and balances. There's nothing libertarian about them, especially since nearly half of them wanted a king to rule.
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