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Old 09-13-2008, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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is there really a huge difference?

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The slaves brought to the Americas came from coastal west Africa and coastal central Africa,not from east African countries. Basically they came from Senegal to Angola.
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Old 09-13-2008, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Answer this curiosity for me: Do you believe that ancient Africans had flying machines ?

I will not idle away my time speculating on frivolities like this for a person who admittedly has no interest in any awareness of early Africna culture and has ignored everything I've already said about it.
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Old 09-13-2008, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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2. How did Indians get to Ghana, Uganda and Tahiti? They were imported as cheap workers not as slaves.
No, they were actually slaves. The Gujarati, in western India (around Mumbai) were big in the slave trade. They had their own "Triangle" where they exported Indian slaves to South Africa (known as the coloreds) and then exported Xhosa and Zulu to Indonesia and other islands and then exported the Indonesians and others to India.
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:00 PM
 
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No, they were actually slaves. The Gujarati, in western India (around Mumbai) were big in the slave trade. They had their own "Triangle" where they exported Indian slaves to South Africa (known as the coloreds) and then exported Xhosa and Zulu to Indonesia and other islands and then exported the Indonesians and others to India.
.. and now, they export IT slaves
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Didn't the Egyptians take African slaves, too, along with Jews and any other race they conquered. I think it went along with losing wars in those times.
There are different types of slavery and you cannot compare the US system to that of the Romans or Islamic countries, like the Ottoman Empire.

Many people chose slavery because it was either an honor, or a better way of life.

At one time around the 12th -14th Centuries, not only was the entire Egyptian military Turkish slaves from the region of Circassia and other places around the Black Sea and Caucus Mountains, but so were the kings of Egypt.

As a slave in the Ottoman Empire you could become the Minister of Finance. Well, actually no, because that would be held by a Jew, but you could be the Minister of the Interior, or be a general commanding armies or an admiral commanding navies.

A Greek slave in the Roman army rose from the rank of soldier to Primus Priori. That would be the equivalent of Chief of Staff for a US army corps (a 2 or 3-star general). When he retired, he was granted his freedom, made a citizen of Rome, and then the governor of Trier granted him a charter to found a colony. It's still there. You can go to Germany and see his colony if you want.

In Islam, you're required to keep a slave under your own roof, and teach the slave the Quran and a viable skill. If they convert, you give them a tract of land and some animals and hope he marries one of your daughters. If female, you hope she marries one of your sons.

Abusing a slave was punishable by death. There were public executions through the 1870s for abusing slaves.

Around the late 1600s early 1700s, a Persian king destroyed two cities because they were abusing slaves. Every Muslim man and woman, and some of the children were put to death and the slaves were set free.

The US system was "chattel property" which was vastly different than other systems of slavery.
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:13 PM
 
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is there really a huge difference?
Yeah,no slaves came from Ethiopia. Or are all Africans the same to you?
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:15 PM
 
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Oh god, there would be next to no culture in this nation or at least incredibly different culture. And by extent, very little of Western Culture from the 20th century onward.

Africa's situation depends a lot. Contrary to popular belief, slavery is not what crippled Africa: extortion of what resources and commodities they had due to Imperialism was it. So if the lack of forced removal were coincided with lack of exploitation(unlikely) Africa would probably be comparable to Asia(minus Japan, China, and SK) and Latin America today.
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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.. and now, they export IT slaves
I guess the world hasn't really changed much, has it?
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:23 PM
 
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Africa's situation depends a lot. Contrary to popular belief, slavery is not what crippled Africa: extortion of what resources and commodities they had due to Imperialism was it.
My issue with this is that it needs to be taken into account the path towards development that post colonial leaders took. Too many post colonial leaders chosed one party dictatorships because they assumed that this was what was needed to unite multi-ethnic countries. Too many chosed either socialist economies or economies with strong state intervention and well we've seen the results of this in Eastern Europe. After independence African leaders should have adopted some form of democracy with a more market based economy. Nowdays I doubt if anyone would recommend that a newly independent country adopt a socialist economy.
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Old 09-13-2008, 04:24 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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There are different types of slavery and you cannot compare the US system to that of the Romans or Islamic countries, like the Ottoman Empire.

Many people chose slavery because it was either an honor, or a better way of life.

At one time around the 12th -14th Centuries, not only was the entire Egyptian military Turkish slaves from the region of Circassia and other places around the Black Sea and Caucus Mountains, but so were the kings of Egypt.

As a slave in the Ottoman Empire you could become the Minister of Finance. Well, actually no, because that would be held by a Jew, but you could be the Minister of the Interior, or be a general commanding armies or an admiral commanding navies.

A Greek slave in the Roman army rose from the rank of soldier to Primus Priori. That would be the equivalent of Chief of Staff for a US army corps (a 2 or 3-star general). When he retired, he was granted his freedom, made a citizen of Rome, and then the governor of Trier granted him a charter to found a colony. It's still there. You can go to Germany and see his colony if you want.

In Islam, you're required to keep a slave under your own roof, and teach the slave the Quran and a viable skill. If they convert, you give them a tract of land and some animals and hope he marries one of your daughters. If female, you hope she marries one of your sons.

Abusing a slave was punishable by death. There were public executions through the 1870s for abusing slaves.

Around the late 1600s early 1700s, a Persian king destroyed two cities because they were abusing slaves. Every Muslim man and woman, and some of the children were put to death and the slaves were set free.

The US system was "chattel property" which was vastly different than other systems of slavery.
Very good points. What about the African tribes that were conquered by
other African tribes and then sold into the English/US slave system ?
Once this was done, the treatment of the conquered was left to another
nation, it would seem, and the culture of the African tribes was scattered
and diffused.
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