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Old 09-17-2008, 07:19 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Because there should have been EIGHT years with no attacks! There are only two reasons I can think of why the Bush Admin. ignored the warnings that we were going to be attacked. Either a. they're just that stupid and careless or b. they wanted us to be attacked to start their "master plan", meaning the PNAC (Plan for a New American Century) which spelled out that they needed another "Pearl Harbor" to rally the country behind the idea of invading Iraq.
The Clinton Administration knew of the plans to use commercial aircraft to fly into skyscrapers before there was a Bush Administration. Why didn't they do anything?

That the Clinton adminstration knew, is a proven fact. Not even arguable. But he didn't pass that intelligence on. Why?
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:24 PM
 
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It's been 7 years since the events of 9/11, and since that day, we have not had a single terrorist attack here on American soil. And yet, Bush gets no credit for this?!?! It kills me how so many are quick to blame him for so many things, yet don't give him an ounce of credit for the safety we've enjoyed all these years.
No terrorism?. What do you call what Wall St and American bankers and mortgage companies have done to the US economy?. And keeping out 27 turban-headed retards at the expense of converting this entire country into a high-security prison sure does NOT smack of 'achievement' to me.
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You asked I will deliver. Here is goes.

Bush lied about the war. No wmd found. No terrorists from 9/11 were from Iraq. Bush and Cheney lied to Congress and Congress did not know no better. Congress is a joke, 2. Bush is a terrorist himself. What we did to Iraq was no different than the terrorists of 9/11 other than we managed to literally destroy most of the Iraq infrastructure, 3 million people fled the country, and 200,000 people have died, and thousands injured for life. You ask the Iraqis if they are better off now than when under Saddam. We all know the answer to that. 70 percent will tell you that they are no better off but worse off.

There are terrorists here in the United States and it would be naive to think that there are not. I hear the phrase time and again, "we are better off because its best we are over there instead of them over here". A Bush phrase. At what expense? How many American soldiers have lost their life? How many American soldiers have been maimed for life?

So ask yourself, what has this war accomplished?
I will tell you what it has accomplished.
It has bankrupted this country.
It has literally destroyed the country of Iraq and it will take that country years to rebuild.
It has disrupted Iraqi lives and American lives. Families who were thrieving and now a parent/grand parent/son/daughter no longer with them. The family never to be the same again. Financial ruins to these families.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent lives have been lost due to the USA invasion of Iraq.
Our own men and women who went to fight for Iraq, have been killed and those who come home some never to be the same again.
Blood shed and heart ache that is what the invasion of Iraq accomplished.
We are the most hated country around the world.

So, it kills you we don't give credit to a man who became President to once was the most respected country in the world, a world leader we use to be, A country thrieving economically. I am ashamed of Bush and his lies and he has ruined the lives of so many people. He lies, cheats and plunders the truth and it kills you that he doesn't get credit? We have open borders, Canada and Mexico and any given day thousands of people cross over. We have more Mexican Drug Lords in this country than ever before. Crime is rapent along the Mexican border to the states.
Wire tapping, torture, email search, is now what our government is allowed to do but our borders here in the US still are a joke.

Sorry but this is one person that will not shed a tear for Bush. He is the dumbest President and the Worst Person in the World!!!
*hugs you*
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:46 PM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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Well, you know, the world trade center was first attacked in 1993, and 8 years later, jetliners were rammed into them. it took at least 8 years of underground planning to do this, although, most federal agencies - CIA, FBI, etc., suspected something was going to happen, but didn't know when it was going to occur. with this being fact, and now these underground people know they are being watched, and their attacking again us might take longer in their planning stages. just because we have not been attacked again doesn't mean that they're not thinking or planning another one, or several. what with loose port security, loose airport security, loose borders with canada and mexico, all we Americans will have to do is just be lax and let things continue the way they are, and timing will get the best of us again. because we are a free society, we come and go as we please, our enemies will use this against us again, it's only a matter of time. why doesn't someone pat george on the back for a job well done for the past seven years? well, it's best not to. there's nothing like bragging how good you are at keeping Americans safe, and then experiencing another attack. I think most Americans can appreciate the fact that we might be a little safer than before Sept. 11, 2001. I would silently thank who ever is responsible for our safety in the past seven years. george will be remembered after his term of service in some way. I remember this quote: "when you do good, nobody remembers, but, when you screw up, nobody forgets!".
If you want to show your appreciation in some way openly, support our troops who are in part responsible for our wellbeing. supporting our troops is also important for their morale. by showing that we appreciate their efforts, they are able to deal with the hardships they and their families face on a daily basis.
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It's been 7 years since the events of 9/11, and since that day, we have not had a single terrorist attack here on American soil. And yet, Bush gets no credit for this?!?! It kills me how so many are quick to blame him for so many things, yet don't give him an ounce of credit for the safety we've enjoyed all these years.
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:56 PM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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Thumbs down Get Your Facts Straight!

The Clinton admin. did tell the present administration about suspected terrorist actvity involving the use of aircraft. did you ever watch television concerning the 9/11 senate investigations? rice testified. did you forget about that? if you don't believe ME, check it out for yourself, and stop listening to little voices that lie. argumentative! Google it! find out for yourself, you are wrong, last paragraph: [/quote]That the Clinton adminstration knew, is a proven fact. Not even arguable. But he didn't pass that intelligence on. Why?[/quote]
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The Clinton Administration knew of the plans to use commercial aircraft to fly into skyscrapers before there was a Bush Administration. Why didn't they do anything?

That the Clinton adminstration knew, is a proven fact. Not even arguable. But he didn't pass that intelligence on. Why?
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Old 09-17-2008, 07:57 PM
 
Location: southern california
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its like big julie in guys n dolls---- 37 arrests and no convictions.
are you referring to the terrorist attacks that did occur but were reported as non terror related?
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Old 09-17-2008, 08:20 PM
 
Location: mass
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First attack on the WTC, 1993?

Last attack, 2001?

It seems it takes them 8 years or so to plan the next attack.

So we are not due yet.

Let's not give credit to Bush just yet. The jury's still out on this one.
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Old 09-17-2008, 08:22 PM
 
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It's been 7 years since the events of 9/11, and since that day, we have not had a single terrorist attack here on American soil. And yet, Bush gets no credit for this?!?! It kills me how so many are quick to blame him for so many things, yet don't give him an ounce of credit for the safety we've enjoyed all these years.
I'm not a fan of President Bush, but I can't disagree with what you just said. I definitely give him credit for keeping this country safe.
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Old 09-17-2008, 08:44 PM
 
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The Clinton Administration knew of the plans to use commercial aircraft to fly into skyscrapers before there was a Bush Administration. Why didn't they do anything?

That the Clinton adminstration knew, is a proven fact. Not even arguable. But he didn't pass that intelligence on. Why?
Here's proof.

1995 Raid in Phillipines Unearthed Plot to Use Civilian Airliners in Terrorist Attack


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1995 Raid in Phillipines Unearthed Plot to Use Civilian Airliners in Terrorist Attack

[SIZE=3]By Jaime Laude, PHILIPPINE HEADLINE NEWS ONLINE
Sept. 13, 2001

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(STAR) - PHILLIPINES -- The use of hijacked commercial planes to attack key structures in the US was hatched in the Philippines by the men of Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden in 1994.
Sources in the local intelligence community disclosed this yesterday as the government announced it is stepping up efforts to hunt down Mohammad Jafal Khalifa, a brother-in-law of Bin Laden, the prime suspect in TuesdayÕs terrorist attacks on the US. The Armed Forces Southern Command has also tightened security measures over the countryÕs so-called "backdoor," which leads to Malaysia and Indonesia, in the wake of the terrorist attacks in the US.
The plane attack, code named Project Bojinka, was hatched by Bin Laden's men Ramzie Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan, who were convicted in the US for the first bombing of the World Trade Center in New York in 1993.
Under Project Bojinka, Bin LadenÕs group would hijack US-bound commercial aircraft from the Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore and crash them into key structures in the US.
The authorities learned of Project Bojinka from diskettes that were seized along with bomb paraphernalia from suspected terrorists during a raid on their hideout on Jan. 7, 1995.
The suspects were holed up at Room 603 Josefa Apartment on Quirino Avenue in Malate, Manila and were awaiting the scheduled arrival of Pope John Paul II, whom they were supposed to assassinate.
Murad, among the suspects arrested by local law enforcers, admitted during questioning that they had been frequenting the Philippines to establish a cell for their group. He also told US and Philippine authorities that he had been taking flying lessons in the country in preparation for the attacks they were planning on the headquarters of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters and Central Intelligence Agency. Murad was subsequently extradited to the US along with Yousef, who was caught in Pakistan, and Khan, who was arrested in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
The three terrorists were convicted by a New York district court for the February 1993 World Trade Center bombing which killed six people and wounded 1,000 others. Among the witnesses who testified against them was Superintendent Alex Monteagudo of the Philippine National Police Intelligence Group (PNP-IG).
Hunt on for Bin LadenÕs in-law
Meanwhile, Presidential Spokesman Rigoberto Tiglao said yesterday security forces have stepped up efforts to find Khalifa since Abu Sayyaf bandits swooped down on a Palawan resort and kidnapped 21 people on May 27.
"They have been under surveillance. There are attempts to really monitor their movements the past two to three months. There have been reports (of terrorist plots) because the brother-in-law of Bin Laden set up a foundation in Cotabato City but itÕs been operating in Basilan," Tiglao said.
Khalifa, through his foundation, has allegedly been supplying arms and other logistics to Abu Sayyaf bandits, some of whom also claim to have been trained in Bin LadenÕs terrorist camps in Afghanistan.
Khalifa supposedly runs the International Islamic Relief Organization which was organized in the country in 1991 as the "social arm" of the Muslim World League, which is based in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Khalifa registered the IIRO with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) on Sept. 20, 1998 with its principal office allegedly located in Marawi City.
The IIRO is supposed to undertake relief and financial assistance to Filipino Muslims in terms of scholarships, construction of mosques, hospitals and orphanages. But authorities suspect that the organization has also been involved in sending Filipino rebels, along with fundamentalist rebels from Malaysia and Indonesia, to Bin LadenÕs terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.
Marine Col. Frank Gudani, deputy commander of the Armed Forces Southern Command, said Abu Sayyaf founder Abduradjak Janjalani himself confirmed they had trained abroad with Bin LadenÕs financial support. "They (the Abu Sayyaf) think of themselves as being under the umbrella of Bin Laden," Gudani said.
But Eid Kabalu, spokesman for the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), told radio station dzMM yesterday morning that Bin Laden could not have been responsible for the World Trade Center bombing because the Saudi billionaire was already allegedly bankrupt.
According to a Pakistan newspaper, Bin Laden himself denied involvement in the plane attacks on Tuesday. "I have nothing to do with it," the Pakistani newspaper quoted the terrorist as saying.
Bin Laden, long wanted by authorities for international terrorism, is also known to have visited Mindanao through the backdoor, Gudani said. Gudani said the Southcom is tightening its watch over the backdoor even as Southcom chief Lt. Gen. Gregorio Camiling ordered the strengthening of the security in all strategic facilities, especially airports, in Western Mindanao. Ð With Marichu Villanueva, Roel Pare–o
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Old 09-17-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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First attack on the WTC, 1993?

Last attack, 2001?

It seems it takes them 8 years or so to plan the next attack.

So we are not due yet.

Let's not give credit to Bush just yet. The jury's still out on this one.
Take a read of the article and the quotes below.

Paul Williams details 'American Hiroshima'

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" PW: Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri began recruiting former Spetsnaz technicians circa 1997. By 1999, a host of such technicians (along with nuclear scientists from China ) were working at al-Qaida laboratories in Afghanistan and Pakistan . By 2000, al-Qaida also secured the help of scientists and technicians from the A. Q. Khan Research Facility in Pakistan , including the assistance of Khan himself. "



" PW: On Oct. 11, 2001 , George Tenet, former CIA director, met with President Bush to inform him that at least two tactical nukes have reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S. This news was substantiated by Pakistan 's ISI, the CIA and the FBI. In accordance with this discovery, the Bush administration deployed hundreds of new and sophisticated Gamma Ray Neutron Flux Detector sensors to U.S. borders, overseas facilities and "choke points" around Washington, D.C. The administration further assigned Delta Force, the elite special operations detachment unit of the U.S. Army, the task of killing or disabling any or all suspects. Such measures have proved to be ineffective. Richard L. Wagner, senior staff member at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, testified before the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on the Prevention of Nuclear and Biological Attack that the currently installed radiation detection systems are highly limited in their capabilities and, in general, insufficient to the task. To add to the problem of insecurity, the borders remain almost completely porous and less than 10 percent of the freight that arrives at major ports (including New York/New Jersey) is inspected. "

Now it seems the 8 year indicator is about to hit.
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