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If you are talking about the nail pulling and beating kind, no, absolutely not. As I said before, I do not think water boarding is torture and I would rather POW's be water boarded than beat, or beheaded.
I answered your question now please reciprocate. If one of the perpetrators of 9/11 had been caught before it happened and water boarding would have revealed the information to stop it, would it be OK with you then.
If one of the 9/11 hijackers had been caught before it happened, wouldn't it have been self-evident how to stop 9/11? I mean that we would have already been on to them in order to catch one, and the flight classes would hopefully have been sending red flags up to the intelligence community.
If we've used waterboarding three times, and only one of the suspects yielded any quality information, how do we know that information was good? How do we know the other two weren't giving good information, only plans were changed so there wasn't any way to confirm their stories? If I were part of a terrorist cell and one of my group was caught, I'd change everything: plans, security protocols, phone numbers, meeting places, everything. And aren't there any other ways to get this valuable information? I know truth serum is a myth, but aren't there other drugs that could be used? The information might be corrupt, but the information extracted under torture is just as likely to be corrupt.
If it is saving the lives of our soldiers, our citizens, and other innocent people of the world, then it is NOT evil. I try not to use a large brush as you may be.
It seems to me that a lot of you may think that killing an enemy combatant is better than water boarding.
Again, you compromise the very values you are fighting for when you resort to torture. You become a terrorist who tortures. In fact, a person who does such acts suffers psychologically. They become desensitized and hardened to human suffering. PSTD is one such example.
Torture is not necessary for self defense. Your viewpoint, and perhaps your book, weigh heavily on justifying something that is just plain wrong.
If one of the 9/11 hijackers had been caught before it happened, wouldn't it have been self-evident how to stop 9/11? I mean that we would have already been on to them in order to catch one, and the flight classes would hopefully have been sending red flags up to the intelligence community.
If we've used waterboarding three times, and only one of the suspects yielded any quality information, how do we know that information was good? How do we know the other two weren't giving good information, only plans were changed so there wasn't any way to confirm their stories? If I were part of a terrorist cell and one of my group was caught, I'd change everything: plans, security protocols, phone numbers, meeting places, everything. And aren't there any other ways to get this valuable information? I know truth serum is a myth, but aren't there other drugs that could be used? The information might be corrupt, but the information extracted under torture is just as likely to be corrupt.
You are being disingenuous now, and if you can't answer I understand, these are not easy questions.
Again, you compromise the very values you are fighting for when you resort to torture. You become a terrorist who tortures. In fact, a person who does such acts suffers psychologically. They become desensitized and hardened to human suffering. PSTD is one such example.
Torture is not necessary for self defense. Your viewpoint, and perhaps your book, weigh heavily on justifying something that is just plain wrong.
The terrorist is responding to something. He doesn't wake up one morning and think this would be a good day to bomb something. He's picking his targets bases on who he perceives his enemy to be. Wouldn't it be more efficient to figure out why he sees America as his enemy, and to fix that? Then maybe when we kill a terrorist there wouldn't be ten more lined up to replace him.
Trying to reason with terorists?!? I don't think that would be very effective! Most of them are crazy or brainwashed or both.
I do not believe that a scientific study could be done on this subject, and if you do perhaps you could enlighten me as to how such a study would be conducted.
Of course you can do a study. Sample size consisting of control groups and torture groups. Any scientist knows this.
Until a contrary view from a non-partisan working group (akin to 9/11 commission and their report), the Rumsfeld working group results will have to stand.
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