Fiscal Conservatives... Is this a Fad I missed over the last 8 years? (enemy, generations)
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Seems like a lot of people are claiming to be Fiscal Conservatives but I haven't heard anything about fiscal conservatism over the last 8 years so when did this fad begin?
Fiscal Conservatives never spoke out again Bush because they were part of a so called 'united front' against the Democrats. Now that Bush is out of the picture, fiscal Conservatives can speak out against massive spending without fear of retribution within their own ranks. A divided house can not stand, and if the Republicans showed any hint of divisiveness during the Bush years, the Democrats probably would have won the 2004 election, and taken more ground in 2006.
For example, now that a Democrat is back in office, it is unlikely that we will hear of any resistance from within the party itself. I consider the Democratic party to be a loose confederation of very different factions held together by a hate for Republicans. Show the slightest faltering, and there goes your united front..
Fiscal Conservatives never spoke out again Bush because they were part of a so called 'united front' against the Democrats. Now that Bush is out of the picture, fiscal Conservatives can speak out against massive spending without fear of retribution within their own ranks. A divided house can not stand, and if the Republicans showed any hint of divisiveness during the Bush years, the Democrats probably would have won the 2004 election, and taken more ground in 2006.
For example, now that a Democrat is back in office, it is unlikely that we will hear of any resistance from within the party itself. I consider the Democratic party to be a loose confederation of very different factions held together by a hate for Republicans. Show the slightest faltering, and there goes your united front..
Give us an example of a President that was a fiscal conservative? In modern times please!
Fiscal Conservatives never spoke out again Bush because they were part of a so called 'united front' against the Democrats.
Ok, I can buy that, I'll leave the mischaracterization of the Democrats for another time and place, so what you are saying is political unity trumped principle and now that the cows are long gone from the barn, fiscally speaking, it's now time to close the gates?
I consider the Democratic party to be a loose confederation of very different factions held together by a hate for Republicans. Show the slightest faltering, and there goes your united front..
I disagree. Since the core Democrat strategy is to make people grateful for, dependent upon, and/or employed by the government, gains made by that party tend to supersede ideological concerns and last for generations, as additional family members go on the government payroll, are added to the entitlement rolls, and seek spiritual fulfillment via "acceptable" and legal (i.e., non-Christian) means, e.g., the faith in government as an omniscient savior.
I disagree. Since the core Democrat strategy is to make people grateful for, dependent upon, and/or employed by the government, gains made by that party tend to supersede ideological concerns and last for generations, as additional family members go on the government payroll, are added to the entitlement rolls, and seek spiritual fulfillment via "acceptable" and legal (i.e., non-Christian) means, e.g., the faith in government as an omniscient savior.
Of course it couldn't be that the public desires greater government goods and services, heaven forbid that they should look around an take note of their dilapidated schools and highways or notice that no other sector of the country is stepping up to the plate to resolve long standing problems. No that couldn't be the reason.
Give us an example of a President that was a fiscal conservative? In modern times please!
Well, Reagan comes to mind as closest, and probably would have been a great example had he not blown so much money on the military..
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
Ok, I can buy that, I'll leave the mischaracterization of the Democrats for another time and place, so what you are saying is political unity trumped principle and now that the cows are long gone from the barn, fiscally speaking, it's now time to close the gates?
Indeed. Political unity certainly trumps the warring factions within. If you become your own worst enemy, you will inevitably lose. The Democrats had this problem in the 80s, they failed to unify under a common cause until 1992.
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
Another question, was being a Fiscal Conservative® during the Bush years similar to being gay in the military? Don't ask, don't tell?
..It sure seems that way!
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Originally Posted by Yeledaf
I disagree. Since the core Democrat strategy is to make people grateful for, dependent upon, and/or employed by the government, gains made by that party tend to supersede ideological concerns and last for generations, as additional family members go on the government payroll, are added to the entitlement rolls, and seek spiritual fulfillment via "acceptable" and legal (i.e., non-Christian) means, e.g., the faith in government as an omniscient savior.
Good point. It seems that the Democrats capitalize on sensationalism and populism in order to woo voters. That is probably why celebirty endorsements are welcomed with open arms by the DNC. The interesting thing about it is the fact that Democrats need people to be dependent on the government, and see that it can serve a productive purpose. I suspect that is where the concept of the Democrats needing the poor to stay poor comes in. If they move up to the middle class they would probably jump parties.
Seems like a lot of people are claiming to be Fiscal Conservatives but I haven't heard anything about fiscal conservatism over the last 8 years so when did this fad begin?
They always sell us on their candidates being fiscally responsible, work hard on getting them reelected and then abandon them when they turn out to be utter failures. The only one they keep is Reagan who was far from a conservative.
Seems like a lot of people are claiming to be Fiscal Conservatives but I haven't heard anything about fiscal conservatism over the last 8 years so when did this fad begin?
You should have seen them when Bush started talking about the missions to Mars.
They were more than ready to support spending millions of tax dollars to send a Tomka truck with a webcam to Mars to find out if it's really red.
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