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Old 03-15-2009, 08:34 AM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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The current system (particularly the banking system) cannot be saved and here is why:

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Old 03-15-2009, 11:18 AM
 
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Taxes and spending. Both are a bad idea when done to excess. We need Newt Gingrich in 2010. I'd love to see a second Republican Revolution.
What do you mean a "second Republican Revolution"? You really think you're gonna get another chance at that, considering how badly they screwed up the first one....?!

"The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein.
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Old 03-15-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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Simply stated, permanent jobs have to return here, if we want to regain our former economic dominance in the world. If not, countries like China and India will continue the ascent, and we wil decline.

Job creation for infrasructure and green energy are only a temporary stimulus to the economy, and increase the debt burden.

Permanent ongoing costs like our military deployments around the world, ongoing occupations, and weapon development programs need to be eliminated or cut back. We need to find better ways to educate our youth, than ways to kill people.
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Old 03-15-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Simply stated, permanent jobs have to return here, if we want to regain our former economic dominance in the world. If not, countries like China and India will continue the ascent, and we wil decline.
China and India are ascending because they invest in developing their intellectual talent. The US does not. The goal in US K-12 public school systems is equal educational outcomes, which by definition is below average because that is the level at which the majority can achieve.

More on China's and India's talent development here:
Joann DiGennaro - Gifted Minds We Need to Nurture - washingtonpost.com

The dumbing down in the US is intentional social engineering - not just to 'reach' the lowest common denominator, but to 'equalize' educational outcomes in order to equalize incomes with the end goal of redistributing our country's wealth.

This has happened under the ideology of social justice education and educators' desire to reform society into one in which nearly everyone's educational levels and income levels are equal so that privileged or disadvantaged members of society no longer exist.

In order for the vast majority to reach the same educational level, that level would have to be quite a bit below average so that much more than 50% of the population could realistically reach that educational level.

Where does the idea of equalizing educational outcomes come from?

Just two examples:

Education and Social Cohesion: Recentering the Debate, The Peabody Journal of Education, Vanderbilt University, 76(3&4), 1-6 (2001)

The premise is depicted (as Figure 1) in the Journal article as follows:

"Educational Outcomes Equality => Income Equality => Social Cohesion"

and explained as:

"Put simply, countries with education systems producing more equal outcomes in terms of skills and qualifications are likely to have more equal distribution of income, and this in turn promotes social cohesion."

and...

Professor Paul George (University of Florida - College of Education) on talks has stated that middle schools should become "the focus of societal experimentation, the vehicle for movement toward increasing justice and equality in the society as a whole... Schools are not about taking each child as far as he or she can go. They're about redistributing the wealth of the future."
THE LIBERAL ASSAULT ON EXCELLENCE | National Center for Policy Analysis

Educators have been led to believe they are doing the right, moral, ethical thing by thwarting average ability and advanced students' efforts to develop their potential. They are convinced that it isn't fair or just that some students will be able to reach higher levels of achievement than others, so the goal is to keep everyone to a below-average level to ensure the vast majority will obtain equal educational outcomes. Unfortunately this has resulted in our average and above-average students' lack of competitiveness with their international peers.

Educational leveling to promote income leveling to promote social cohesion. Noble intention, but what has gone horribly wrong in this 'social leveling' scheme is that the world has evolved into a global economy in which one's marketable skills are now facing worldwide competition in the global arena - and other countries' students are kicking our students' butts.

More...

While students in the bottom quartile have shown slow but steady improvement since the 1960s, average test scores have nonetheless gone down, primarily because of the performance of those in the top quartile. This "highest cohort of achievers," Rudman writes, has shown "the greatest declines across a variety of subjects as well as across age-level groups." Analysts have also found "a substantial drop among those children in the middle range of achievement," he continues, "but less loss and some modest gains at the lower levels." In other words, our brightest youngsters, those most likely to be headed for selective colleges, have suffered the most dramatic setbacks over the past two decades--a fact with grave implications for our ability to compete with other nations in the future.
The Other Crisis in American Education - 91.11 (Article explains why and how this has happened.)

Mixed-ability classes are the standard here in the US, with students ranging anywhere from 3+ years below grade-level to 6+ years above in the same classroom, while the rest of the world encourages and develops their academic and intellectual talent. The teacher is supposed to meet every student's educational needs through 'differentiation.' All that really does is pull the teachers in too many different directions and stretches classroom time so thin that no one gets their educational needs adequately met. With that kind of an educational model, is it any wonder US students lag the rest of the industrialized world - not to mention even some developing countries (OECD PISA comparisons)?

Read the question posted below on a teachers' forum. Notice how cooperative learning is stressed, which is little more than having the more able kids in the class taking over the role of teaching their less able peers in cooperative learning groups so that the teacher can spread his/her time among the various groups.
addressing a wide range of skills in the classroom - A to Z Teacher Stuff Forums

What usually happens in the cooperative learning scenario is that the more able students' learning is stalled as they 'teach' their less able peers. Cooperative learning is rarely done so that all learn. More:
http://www.masaflorida.org/pdf/Gifted_Education.pdf

Our country is NOT going to be globally competitive until we rethink and retool public education to encourage and develop academic and intellectual potential.
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Old 03-15-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: southern california
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one more thing marriage
mandatory prenup must be filed with each marriage license application.
its boiler plate, if you wana give her the world do it, but must contain a clause agreeing to binding arbitration just like at the doctors office. it will save billions in court costs.
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obama talks about improving education, but I have not heard him address any of the problems I've discussed in my post, above.
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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cut spending
cut taxes
-reward wealth
-stop all FICA withholding for six months
let bad debt fail, automakers, homes, whomever

take the pain now and pick up the pieces later
the government can't get us out by spending our money

oh and stop blaming the other guy, it's all of our fault (we let these criminals run our government)
This by far is the most truthful post regarding the economy and what should be done. Let it ride, survival of the economic fittest. We need to stop tinkering before we ruin it if we have not already.
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:41 PM
 
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This by far is the most truthful post regarding the economy and what should be done. Let it ride, survival of the economic fittest. We need to stop tinkering before we ruin it if we have not already.
That's absolutely the dumbest thing we could do...

I guess the lessons we learned from the Great Depression are meaningless to you...

Herbert Hoover tried to cut spending and balance the budget at the time, and it helped usher in the Great Depression...

Thank God clearer sharper heads (like Obama and Bernanke) are at the helm - instead of knee-jerk reactionaries like on this forum...
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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That's absolutely the dumbest thing we could do...

I guess the lessons we learned from the Great Depression are meaningless to you...

Herbert Hoover tried to cut spending and balance the budget at the time, and it helped usher in the Great Depression...

Thank God clearer sharper heads (like Obama and Bernanke) are at the helm - instead of knee-jerk reactionaries like on this forum...
Dumb people do dumb things, hence the current dummies are better off leaving it alone. They are incompetent at best and extremely dangerous to the future of this once great nation at worse. Let it run it's course, pick up the pieces and start over. I can't wait for it to really hit bottom. I have got $$$ needing an investment. I blew it on Citi but I won't miss the next one.
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Simply stated, permanent jobs have to return here, if we want to regain our former economic dominance in the world. If not, countries like China and India will continue the ascent, and we wil decline.
Agreed, but the larger question is, permanent jobs at what? Jobs building more cars based on dwindling (and more expensive) resources? Or jobs in the most expensive and least effective health care system in the world? Or building more weapons that just go somewhere to blow up, leaving little of value anywhere? Or rebuilding a financial system that depends soley on short term gains, and instead of creating anything useful, simply shuffles money around to make a profit?

I don't think this is just about rebuilding the economy, it's really about replacing the old one.
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