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Old 03-06-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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pretty scary stuff. one can only hope... watch it.

not a michael moore style movie. currently rated at 7.6/10 on imdb.com

The End of America (2008)

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The End of America details the ten steps a country takes when it slides toward fascism. It's not a "lefty"tot tome, rather a historical look at trends in once-functioning democracies from modern history that are being repeated in our country today. It gives any reader (or viewer of the lecture) a much-needed history lesson and constitutional refresher. Most importantly, it puts the recent gradual loss of civil liberties in the U.S. in a historical context. The average American might not be alarmed at AT&T selling our private information to the Bush administration, but when this action is seen as part of a larger series of erosions and events, a pattern emerges with unfortunate consequences that become disturbingly clear.
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Old 03-06-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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pretty scary stuff. one can only hope... watch it.

not a michael moore style movie. currently rated at 7.6/10 on imdb.com

The End of America (2008)

I started two threads the other day pertaining to how close The Bush Crime Family came to turning us into a Fascist nation. Nitwits are calling Obama a Socialist and yet they still defend what Bush/Cheny had planned for us up until a few months before they left office. They did not carry it to fruition because they chickened out.

Extraordinary Measures

Bush Adm. Weighed Restricting 1st Amendment | Newsweek National News | Newsweek.com (http://www.newsweek.com/id/187342 - broken link)

Bush's executive tyranny

Bush's executive tyranny - Los Angeles Times
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Old 03-07-2009, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Any movie touting "Fascism" for the U.S.A. is disinformation. Furthermore, the U.S. Constitution is merely a compact between the States united and the United States, in Congress assembled. The "United States" is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.

What IS paramount, is that the sovereignty of the American people must be preserved. THAT is the only thing that separates the U.S.A. from every other nation on this planet. So far, our opponents have successfully erased that from over 3 generations of Americans. We are ripe for being 'picked clean', and having a new "constitutional" socialist collective uber State imposed.

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"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it....."
- - -Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. Mayor and Alderman, City of Savannah, 14 Ga. 438, 520 (1854) Supreme Court of Georgia

FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
- - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884

"Government is not Sovereignty. Government is the machinery or expedient for expressing the will of the sovereign power."
City of Bisbee v. Cochise County, 78 P. 2d 982, 986, 52 Ariz. 1

"People are supreme, not the state."
Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 GA at 93.

"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;
[United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4]

REPUBLICAN (form of) GOVERNMENT. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, ... directly,....
In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219;
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary
There is no other nation nor government on this planet that has a "republican form of government". Everyone else is a subject citizen of their government, even if its a parliamentary democracy.
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

"CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. "
- - - Black's Law Dictionary,Sixth Ed. p.244
"SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
We've been tricked to claim subjugation, despite all the evidence to the contrary on the law books.

Did you think you were born a "U.S. citizen"?
Who told you that?
It's not in the law.
"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979)
(quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61 S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

"All PERSONS born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." [14th Amendment, Section 1.]
You can find these and other facts in the public record, in any county courthouse law library. Why don't we know of these facts?
THAT IS THE QUESTION !
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: OUTTA SIGHT!
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For those that haven't seen the documentary or read the book here are her 10 steps to fascism:
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1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Harass citizens' groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Treat all political dissents to be traitors.
10. Suspend the rule of law.
Hmmm....check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check...or...
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I started two threads the other day pertaining to how close The Bush Crime Family came to turning us into a Fascist nation. Nitwits are calling Obama a Socialist and yet they still defend what Bush/Cheny had planned for us up until a few months before they left office. They did not carry it to fruition because they chickened out.

Extraordinary Measures

Bush Adm. Weighed Restricting 1st Amendment | Newsweek National News | Newsweek.com (http://www.newsweek.com/id/187342 - broken link)

Bush's executive tyranny

Bush's executive tyranny - Los Angeles Times
Another avenue that Obama is outBushing Bush.

Get rid of 2nd amendment rights first. The rest of the bill of rights will follow with little resistence.

Haven't I seen this movie before?
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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Another avenue that Obama is outBushing Bush.

Get rid of 2nd amendment rights first. The rest of the bill of rights will follow with little resistence.

Haven't I seen this movie before?
Actually they should work on disbanding the NRA since it is indeed a terrorist organization...
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Actually they should work on disbanding the NRA since it is indeed a terrorist organization...
Now you're thinking "change"
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Hometown of Jason Witten
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Based on Bush's second-term policies he has to be the most liberal "Fascist" who ever lived.
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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For those that haven't seen the documentary or read the book here are her 10 steps to fascism:


Hmmm....check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check...or...
Set up an internal surveillance system.

I suppose this is talking about the NSA. Let me tell you that Bush wasn't very old when the NSA first came into existence. I was separated from the US Army in 1957 and came very close to going to work for the NSA. How could Bush and Cheney have created that group since it had been around since the early 50s? One of my friends from the Army years in the Army Security Agency, ASA, retired from the NSA about 3 years ago and had been there since 1957 after separation.
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:48 PM
 
Location: OUTTA SIGHT!
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Set up an internal surveillance system.

I suppose this is talking about the NSA. Let me tell you that Bush wasn't very old when the NSA first came into existence. I was separated from the US Army in 1957 and came very close to going to work for the NSA. How could Bush and Cheney have created that group since it had been around since the early 50s? One of my friends from the Army years in the Army Security Agency, ASA, retired from the NSA about 3 years ago and had been there since 1957 after separation.
You certainly are supposing a lot aren't you?
You *suppose* I'm talking about something I don't even remotely mention and then proceed to knock down (in a slipshod, round-about way) your own creation.

Nice work.
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