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Originally Posted by spunky1
Defend-as in "guard".
Secure the National Defense. not the individual. . . secure the nation.
Socialism doesn't work
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
Article I, Section8, US Constitution
I think one could easily make the argument that something like health care is more within the intended meaning of "provide for the general welfare" than invading a sovereign nation is within the intended meaning of "provide for the common defense".
Of course that's making the large assumption that anybody even cares about the Constitution anymore.
Perhaps you'd consider revising or expanding your statements rather than ending the story.
After all is said and done, "most of the ones that voted Democratic" seems a might over-stated to me.
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Libs look to the government to take care of them and all there problems. I think each should take care of there own. Most of the ones that vote Democratic live off of the government in one form or another. Look at the 2000 and 2004 county by county map that showed red vs blue states. Look to see who voted to keep there checks. End of story.
To think progressively may be viewed as liberal, but it is my experience that the Netherlands is not liberal. Unfortunately, many of their positions in national and international quarters is now being re-thought and will probably be re-drawn.
It isn't easy trying to be far-thinking and inclusive. And now in the case of the EU and immigration, the Netherlands faces new and troublesome challenges. What a country can achieve, the size of the Netherlands, with 13m, it can't appear to achieve with a doubled population.
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OTR how interesting that you lived ini the Netherlands. I guess it does give you a unique persepctive. I have visited The Netherlands, it was my first trip to Europe and we visited several countries. My family let me pick a country and I picked it because I had always been completely facinated by Anne Frank. I was obsessed with her. . .
Anyhew long story, in my naive mind I pictured Hans Brinker skating, windmils, tulips, and The Little Dutch boy with his finger plugging the well! I was in for quite a shock! I do remember going on a tour and the guide said something to the effect that they had a hard time getting people to work there because of their govts programs made it easy for people to live off others. Now this was a Dutch citizen stating this.
I guess in my mind The Netherlands is one of the most liberal countries out there.
Immigration in the Netherlands is very mixed. Large numbers of Indonesians came in the 50s; then larger numbers of immigrants from the Dutch controled Islands off and attached to South America in the late 60s and 70s; quite a few immigrants from North Africa, and elsewhere have increased over the years. When I lived in the Netherlands, Turks were common, but few Muslims.
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OTH, I had heard that the Netherlands population is 50% foreigners and most of them are Muslims. . can you shed any light?
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I do remember going on a tour and the guide said something to the effect that they had a hard time getting people to work there because of their govts programs made it easy for people to live off others. Now this was a Dutch citizen stating this. 
