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Old 05-22-2009, 07:31 AM
 
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Title IV, Subtitle B, Part 2, Section 426, of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009, which states; An eligible worker (specifically, workers who lose their jobs as a result of this measure) may receive a climate change adjustment allowance under this subsection for a period of not longer than 156 weeks...80 percent of the monthly premium of any health insurance coverage...up to a maximum payment of $1,500 in relocation allowance...and job search expenses not exceed[ing] $1,500.


So what about those Green Jobs that everyone keeps touting? Is the Obama Administration playing politics with all the job creation talk, while knowingly preparing for job losses that may result from climate change legistation?

Clearly defined unemployment benefits specifically laid out within a piece of legislation would seem to indicate that job losses are expected as a result of Cap and Trade.

What say you?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h111-2454

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Old 05-22-2009, 07:36 AM
 
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just what the economy needs right now - a good, hard kick in the 'nads.

thanks, bammers.
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:44 AM
 
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0bama does not care as much about people keeping their jobs, or economic recover, as much as he cares about green energy and punishing America for using fossil fuels. Why else would he insert green energy crap into an economic stimulus plan?

When we are paying $4+ gas, 90% for electricity and the cost for manufactured goods rises do to their incurred costs, just remember that it is all brought to you but 0bama and the Democratic Party.

Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill:

Title IV, Subtitle B, Part 2, Section 426, of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 states: ‘An eligible worker (specifically, workers who lose their jobs as a result of this measure) may receive a climate change adjustment allowance under this subsection for a period of not longer than 156 weeks…80 percent of the monthly premium of any health insurance coverage…up to a maximum payment of $1,500 in relocation allowance…and job search expenses not exceed[ing] $1,500.


Even inside this bill they realize what a devastating effect it will have on jobs. Its inevitable; raise the costs of energy in this country and watch our standard of living, productivity, and our ability to compete in the world's economy decline.

Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill stuffed full of unpleasant surprises | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/45836042.html - broken link)

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Old 05-22-2009, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What did you expect ? All peaches and cream from Obama ? That he'd fix everything and all prices would go down while your salaries went up, universal healthcare for everyone with no impact, green energy with no cost ?

He's doing what he promised. It's just that it all comes with a price tag.
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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What did you expect ? All peaches and cream from Obama ? That he'd fix everything and all prices would go down while your salaries went up, universal healthcare for everyone with no impact, green energy with no cost ?

He's doing what he promised. It's just that it all comes with a price tag.
It's hard to interpret your post as being pro or con, but yes it does indeed all come with a price tag. However, given that our economy is based on a robust labor market, it would seem that a bill that prepares for additional job losses is remarkably ill-timed. What's the hurry? The planet is millions of years old. It won't kick the bucket next year if we don't implement Cap and Trade legislation. I'd argue that we should first get our economy back on track and people back to work, and THEN discuss ways to improve the climate.
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:07 AM
 
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just what the economy needs right now - a good, hard kick in the 'nads.

thanks, bammers.
All this over the theory, that man-caused CO2 is causing catastrophic global warming.

An EPA memo titled “Deliberative-Attorney Client Privilege,” states the following:

“Making the decision to regulate carbon dioxide … is likely to have serious economic consequences for regulated entities throughout the U.S. economy, including small businesses and small communities,” the document says.

It also says that science does not really understand Green House Gases (GHG), but don't let that stop 0bama from destroying jobs and flipping our country on its head:

The finding document remains very separate from the TSD, with only occasional references to the IPCC or particular CCSP report findings, and it is up to the reader’s interpretation of the TSD to determine how the evidence has been weighed to arrive at the conclusions above. The finding rests heavily on the precautionary principle, but the amount of acknowledged lack of understanding about basic facts surrounding GHGs seem to stretch the precautionary principle to providing for regulation in the face of unprecedented uncertainty. (The TSD notes several areas where essential behaviors of GHGs are "not well determined" and "not well understood"
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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I'm neither pro nor con. I do agree it's bad timing to do this now. A lot of these companies could have done this on their own with their own money years ago. Now they may be forced to do it and of course they will not foot the bill but pass the costs off to us. There will probably be loads of loopholes where the ultimate goal of the bill won't be met.
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:18 AM
 
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I'm neither pro nor con. I do agree it's bad timing to do this now. A lot of these companies could have done this on their own with their own money years ago. Now they may be forced to do it and of course they will not foot the bill but pass the costs off to us. There will probably be loads of loopholes where the ultimate goal of the bill won't be met.
I'd like to see Ford Motor Co. try to meet the newest CAFE standards while trying to meet Cap & Trade, LOL

Stick a fork in a lot of businesses, if this legislation gets passed, they're done, and so will a lot of people's jobs.... no matter what the economy was at the time.
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:23 AM
 
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All this over the theory, that man-caused CO2 is causing catastrophic global warming.

An EPA memo titled “Deliberative-Attorney Client Privilege,” states the following:

“Making the decision to regulate carbon dioxide … is likely to have serious economic consequences for regulated entities throughout the U.S. economy, including small businesses and small communities,” the document says.

It also says that science does not really understand Green House Gases (GHG), but don't let that stop 0bama from destroying jobs and flipping our country on its head:

The finding document remains very separate from the TSD, with only occasional references to the IPCC or particular CCSP report findings, and it is up to the reader’s interpretation of the TSD to determine how the evidence has been weighed to arrive at the conclusions above. The finding rests heavily on the precautionary principle, but the amount of acknowledged lack of understanding about basic facts surrounding GHGs seem to stretch the precautionary principle to providing for regulation in the face of unprecedented uncertainty. (The TSD notes several areas where essential behaviors of GHGs are "not well determined" and "not well understood"
well, obama was honest about it at least once:

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"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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Job losses are going to be in every facet of this economy, except the federal government. I have a feeling that his promises of "creating jobs" is just expanding the government so much that everyone is a federal employee.

That's not job creation. That's taking over.

It's not the government's job to create employment. The government's job is to protect the people of this country. It is not to create jobs. It is not to make sure everyone has healthcare. It is not to manufacture cars. It is not to be a bank.

Our country became great when the people of this country were allowed to create our own wealth. Once the government sticks its head into everything, it tanks.

Why does everyone believe that all these career politicians that have never held a real job somehow know how to run this country better than the people who actually made this country what it is?

Why does everyone think Obama knows what it takes to get this country back on track when he's never had any real life experience in anything other than reading a teleprompter. Reading a speech that he didn't even write?

Washington does not know what it takes to run a country. They know how to win an election. That's it.
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