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According to a story I heard on NPR (sorry, no link), there is evidence that the charges were fabricated, and that they may have actually been kidnapped from S. Korea. I doubt they are being treated "just fine".
They were in China on the Tumen River and had crossed the river into North Korea. The cameraman took off running back across the river along with another dude that was with them.
Unfortunately there is not much we can do for them except to pay ransom. And that has always been a bad precedent.
I hope the liberals understand who exactly we are dealing with in North Korea. The only thing the NK's understand is strength and power. The diplomacy, ass kissing and payoffs hasn't worked.
For the person previously in this thread joking about waterboarding, I'd read up on what goes on in North Korean camps. It is unimaginable brutality and torture. Waterboarding is chocolate cake by comparison.
They were in China on the Tumen River and had crossed the river into North Korea. The cameraman took off running back across the river along with another dude that was with them.
Unfortunately there is not much we can do for them except to pay ransom. And that has always been a bad precedent.
I hope the liberals understand who exactly we are dealing with in North Korea. The only thing the NK's understand is strength and power. The diplomacy, ass kissing and payoffs hasn't worked.
For the person previously in this thread joking about waterboarding, I'd read up on what goes on in North Korean camps. It is unimaginable brutality and torture. Waterboarding is chocolate cake by comparison.
Uh, were you there? That is the "official" story. It may not be true.
Uh, were you there? That is the "official" story. It may not be true.
No I wasn't there but I can read a map. The Tumen River is on the Chinese/NK border.
For them to be randomly snatched out of South Korea would be a huge undertaking. It's been done by the north before, but I don't see it happening in this case. Two journalists from a tv channel five people and a dog watch are not that special.
Also there is no evidence such occurred. If so post a link.
No I wasn't there but I can read a map. The Tumen River is on the Chinese/NK border.
For them to be randomly snatched out of South Korea would be a huge undertaking. It's been done by the north before, but I don't see it happening in this case. Two journalists from a tv channel five people and a dog watch are not that special.
Also there is no evidence such occurred. If so post a link.
With all the recent events though, I can see them doing it to get something to use when dealing with the rest of the world.
According to a story I heard on NPR (sorry, no link), there is evidence that the charges were fabricated, and that they may have actually been kidnapped from S. Korea. I doubt they are being treated "just fine".
If they were kidnapped then that changes everything. I believe along with many others they will be treated humanely simply for political image after their release (surprising NK's political image probably couldn't get much worse).
I'm very interested to see what Obama's plan of action will be on this one since NK is, as of this morning, provoking nuclear war.
i honestly sympathize with any president who has to deal with kim-jong-mentally-il.
it's like trying to talk down a 9-year old kid who stumbled onto your stashed bottle of wild turkey and your neighbor's loaded mossberg.
except that this particular kid will never sober up..
According to a story I heard on NPR (sorry, no link), there is evidence that the charges were fabricated, and that they may have actually been kidnapped from S. Korea. I doubt they are being treated "just fine".
I seriously doubt that these women were foolish enough to venture into North Korea. Especially considering the political climate lately, I wouldn't hesitate to think they were kidnapped from South Korea. Good post Katiana.
I seriously doubt that these women were foolish enough to venture into North Korea. Especially considering the political climate lately, I wouldn't hesitate to think they were kidnapped from South Korea. Good post Katiana.
You still have to look at it from a journalistic perspective. They will venture ANYWHERE. Hell, we had journalists in Somalia in the early 90's. We had journalists in Baghdad when the insurgency was at it's worst and contractors/journalists were being beheaded.
I will admit I had not thought of the prospect they may have been kidnapped, but it's just as possible they were out to get the story of the year.
No I wasn't there but I can read a map. The Tumen River is on the Chinese/NK border.
For them to be randomly snatched out of South Korea would be a huge undertaking. It's been done by the north before, but I don't see it happening in this case. Two journalists from a tv channel five people and a dog watch are not that special.
Also there is no evidence such occurred. If so post a link.
Right here (was too tired last night to dig around on NPR):
"The two were reporting about the trafficking of North Korean women at the time of their arrest, and it's unclear if they strayed into the North or were grabbed by aggressive border guards who crossed into China."
The story I heard on NPR used the word "kidnpapped".
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"The two were reporting about the trafficking of North Korean women at the time of their arrest, and it's unclear if they strayed into the North or were grabbed by aggressive border guards who crossed into China."
The story I heard on NPR used the word "kidnpapped".
Well you had said they were kidnapped from South Korea in your original post. Clearly not.
I agree it could have been possible to have been snatched from across the river, however the first reports I remember from the cameraman was that they had crossed the river into North Korea.
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