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Not his problem. Guess you guys should have planned better.
It had little to do with planning. That is a HUGE red herring and way for people to sidetrack the conversation, especially when they are pulling stuff out of their ass because they don't understand the facts of the issue. Georgia has not been perfect, but there has been a ton of planning done. The key is that a huge resource exists that can provide for the area. It makes no sense to reinvent the wheel for no other reason than the law was ambiguous.
Georgia has been trying to get this thing legally resolved since the 1970s and in earnest since 1990. That's nearly 20 years. It's mainly Alabama but also Florida that frankly prefer the status quo, because then it means they have no reason to change their own behavior in the future. They have refused to come to the table, walked away from negotiations, and their congressional delegations have been slipping amendments into legislation to try to strengthen their position.
To the people who say..."why doesn't GA plan"...Atlanta and Georgia have built new reservoirs. At each turn, as with the Hickory Log Creek reservoir just built, Alabama filed another law suit to block it from going online. They don't want any solution that doesn't involve Alabama getting status quo, without the need for its citizens to conserve or to look for new or better sources closer to home.
To the people who say...."Atlanta has grown too big"....what is your solution? Does the state and the metro area put up a fence? There is plenty of water in Lake Lanier for all the stated purposes and for drinking water. The reason this last drought brought things to a head was the severity and the poor management of the lake by the ACOE just prior. They made some serious mistakes and were releasing far too much water downstream for the conditions. That was what got things back in the media. Florida and Alabama wanted the Coprs to continue to release massive amounts of water downstream for power and mussels in Apalachicola Bay. They did...the lake went down due to no rain.
Georgia instituted full watering bans and the consumption was reduced well below the Gov's 10% target for conservation. At this same time, even while in drought, no restrictions were instituted in Alabama. None...nada...zilch. Who is being irresponsible?
I understand the issues and the history, I just like spinning KevK up. VA and MD have a similar issue with the Potomac, in that case a judge sided with VA to allow a larger draw from the river. The Georgia situation has been used by the MD Department of Planning as an example of "what not to do".
The Georgia situation has been used by the MD Department of Planning as an example of "what not to do".
The real question here is why did GA politicians in the 1940s and 1950s allow the legislation and rules to be as ambiguous as they are. The failing is their lack of attention and work to correct that ambiguity and codify the use of Lanier for drinking water before any of this was a blip on the radar. When they finally tried in the 1970s, they encountered opposition from AL and FL, and things had not come to a head, so they kicked the can down the road.
The real question here is why did GA politicians in the 1940s and 1950s allow the legislation and rules to be as ambiguous as they are. The failing is their lack of attention and work to correct that ambiguity and codify the use of Lanier for drinking water before any of this was a blip on the radar. When they finally tried in the 1970s, they encountered opposition from AL and FL, and things had not come to a head, so they kicked the can down the road.
Which many times is the easiest, least controversial thing to do. Sad, but true. Witness Social Security. Then everyone goes crazy because now there's a crisis.
I support our right to the water that falls within our state and fills up our lake. Alabama and Florida also get ample rainfall and they can build their own lakes too.
1. It is not your lake, it is owned by the federal government. KevK you were the one running up and down this forum flaunting the joys of Socialism, and yet you are here complaining about government ownership of an invaluable resource..?
2. Constructing new lakes on a large scale has long been banned, the ecological impact is too great to allow the construction of more lakes that require significant damming and changing of the landscape. Plus, most valleys or other suitable regions along the river have already been dammed.
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What are they going to do- have FEMA bring in water as we lay around suffering from thirst while folks in Alabama water their lush lawns with OUR water?? I got news for the judge- it AIN"T gonna happen and if we have to take ARMS up, it ain't out of the question!
Outside of the Phenix City area and possibly Dothan, no large Alabama cities take water from the Chattahoochee. The primary concern is once again the Farley Nuclear station. Would you prefer a nuclear meltdown just so you can water your own lawn every day?
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Georgia instituted full watering bans and the consumption was reduced well below the Gov's 10% target for conservation. At this same time, even while in drought, no restrictions were instituted in Alabama. None...nada...zilch. Who is being irresponsible?
As I said before, Alabama has plenty of rivers and lakes keeping their metro areas well supplied. The state is not nearly as affected by drought, which is why there is no incentive to place water restrictions. The only way to effectively reduce the water consumption on the Alabama side would be to cut off water to the nuclear plant, shut down both paper mills, and remove the 'navigable waterway' status from the Chattahoochee and force barge traffic off the river.. All of these processes are extremely important to commerce in SE Alabama/SW Georgia, and even Florida, which is why those areas refuse to accept anything less than the status quo.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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1. It is not your lake, it is owned by the federal government. KevK you were the one running up and down this forum flaunting the joys of Socialism, and yet you are here complaining about government ownership of an invaluable resource..?
2. Constructing new lakes on a large scale has long been banned, the ecological impact is too great to allow the construction of more lakes that require significant damming and changing of the landscape. Plus, most valleys or other suitable regions along the river have already been dammed.
Outside of the Phenix City area and possibly Dothan, no large Alabama cities take water from the Chattahoochee. The primary concern is once again the Farley Nuclear station. Would you prefer a nuclear meltdown just so you can water your own lawn every day?
As I said before, Alabama has plenty of rivers and lakes keeping their metro areas well supplied. The state is not nearly as affected by drought, which is why there is no incentive to place water restrictions. The only way to effectively reduce the water consumption on the Alabama side would be to cut off water to the nuclear plant, shut down both paper mills, and remove the 'navigable waterway' status from the Chattahoochee and force barge traffic off the river.. All of these processes are extremely important to commerce in SE Alabama/SW Georgia, and even Florida, which is why those areas refuse to accept anything less than the status quo.
I do not water my lawn. It is illegal here and has been for 3 years unlike Alabama and Florida who can water 24/7 and still demand water from our lake. The nuclear plant gets plenty of water and the Mussles I don't care about. I am not going to be thirsty so the f____g mussles can be happy.
Yep, he was appointed by Reagan! Orders water shut off to the whole city of Atlanta so we can give our water to Alabama and Florida who neither need or deserve it. Another STUPID decision by a STUPID judge appoint by a Republican (Ronald Reagan)
3-year countdown begins for Atlanta's water future - Kansas City Star (http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/1338157.html - broken link)
Oh noes, what is that Reagan appointed justice, Sandra Day O'Connor doing now?
The real question here is why did GA politicians in the 1940s and 1950s allow the legislation and rules to be as ambiguous as they are. The failing is their lack of attention and work to correct that ambiguity and codify the use of Lanier for drinking water before any of this was a blip on the radar. When they finally tried in the 1970s, they encountered opposition from AL and FL, and things had not come to a head, so they kicked the can down the road.
There is NO other water source we have here for the metro. We cannot desalt ocean water and pump it up 2000 feet from Savannah. We cannot drill wells deep enough that have enough for the area. Lanier is our ONLY useable supply.
Start putting cisterns in homes to collect rainwater. Used to be common in Florida decades ago.
Wasn't advocating "robbing" anyone of anything. Was just making the point that when you take the border agreed to by the states and passed Congress in the 1800s, the Tennessee River does pass through GA.
Due to a surveying error, the border was staked 1/2 mile south of the actual location. I'm not advocating moving the border to the actual location, just making the point that GA actually should have access to other water resources that are being denied due to a mistake made by the feds 200 years ago. Also making the point that based on the TVA, Georgia could take 100 million gallons a day from the river and not even make a perceptible change to the flow due to massive size of the river.
GA has had 200 years to fix that...too late. Just using property for 7 years in many states gives the illegal user title to it.
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