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Old 08-06-2009, 08:57 AM
 
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I think there are people who have a very fixed idea of what role government should play. When they see someone stepping outside that, even in a temporary crisis, they start freaking out about "the destruction of America" and all that.

I think they're failing to see the bigger picture. Obama could, in fact, go down as one of the best if the auto industry continues to recover, if this stimulus money would actually get out where it's supposed to be, if he can make some significant dent in health care reform, and can keep the terrorists on their heals with his redeployment to focus on fighting terrorism rather than oil vendettas.

People aren't giving him enough credit.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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The stimulus never should have happened and I sincerely hope this current healthcare bill will be defeated. Nothing is "temporary" in government - your great grandchildren will be paying for this debacle. Government is the one "freaking out" - they should have simply gone slowly and let the markets stabilize themselves.

Government was never meant (and should never be able to) take over businesses. Nor should they ever be in the healthcare business. The takeovers and bailouts were wrong - the markets would work this out or fail, as they should. George Bush was equally to blame on this.

He has virtually no knowledge or experience whatsoever that would make him qualified to
be President. Neither do the vast majority of his appointees. It's like telling the kid in the mailroom that he's now CEO - and about as effective. A community organizer, professional agitator and bully, does not have the skill sets to be president.

His foreign policy is extremely worrisome - neither he nor Hillary nor any of his administration have the necessary strength, experience or guts to handle a crisis. The military is not of prime importance to him as it should be. The military under Obama will be weakened and we will be more susceptable to terrorism than ever.

His many "czars" consisting of people that, for the most part, have never worked in the industries that they are supposed to be accountable for, consist of at least one communist and a felon. Virtually none of them are qualified and they account to no-one except Obama. If this were a republican administration it would be unacceptable.

The path he is on is one of destruction. If allowed to continue unchecked we (and that includes liberals) will have more taxes, less freedoms and be more vulnerable to attack.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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The stimulus is an abject failure, by any measure. It has not done what they claimed it would do. Almost a trillion dollars going to pet projects of the dems/libs.

Many at the time said as much, it was not really a stimulus and it would not work as structured.

They said it would keep UE below 8%, they said it would create immediate jobs and provide a jolt to the economy.

The numbers he used to sell this crap sandwich were deemed too optimistic by many, including the CBO. We will see just how wrong they were when obama releases his budget update in August.

His budget ($4 trillion) will create massive deficits $9 trillion by 2019 and he will double the debt.

He has embraced our murderous, dictatorial enemies - Chavez, Ahmedinejad, Castro, Ortega, Noriaga while shunning our democratic allies.

With his massive spending, there is NO WAY he will NOT refrain from raising taxes on the middle class.
Sanrene,

With what you've listed above, they are credible arguments, however you loose credibility when your make partisans statements. Both democrats as well as Republicans recieved Kick backs to the pet projects. The tone was lost when you refused to acknowledge both sides.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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So why are you speading the photo around the internet? You perv.

Ceece,,,if you noticed the more folks ignores Logics Racist, Ignorant and idiotic posts...he moves on to pictures and pretty soon crayons. Just ignore him...he won't go away, but at least he'll continue to play with himself.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:16 AM
 
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Obama's been officially in office...what...6-7 months out of a 4 year term?

Yet all I hear, even on TV and entertainment shows is "Obama failed". I wasn't aware it was possible to fail before you even started, or that your failure can be rated when you're not done. That's like watching an Olympic swimming track and right when they jump in the water, say Phelps or whatever that one guy is, failed. Right after he jumped in and nowhere near the finish line. It's stupid.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with every policy that has been enacted, or how it has. I also note certain things that were different from when he was campaigning, but every President has told fibs...it's how these things roll. Even if Ron Paul got elected by some minor miracle it'd be the same thing. A lot of what Obama's administration is putting in place happen to be good, they just have negative ramifications that are not being considered (or are being disregarded wholeheartedly in favor of the 'greater good').

So...my question for you is this. Can you explain to me, respectfully to both me and the President, how exactly he has "failed" this early in the game? Meaning...what has you convinced that things won't improve in the next 3 and a half years?

Note: Any activity that every previous President has done, is not a valid response to the question. "He increased the deficit!!" for example, is not valid because the last 5 Presidents have all done the same thing.
Since you use a sport metaphor in your post, if a football player gets the ball and starts heading the wrong way down field on the first play of the game, wouldn't you try to stop him?

Could be some players on that team that want to see his team (America) fail. Or most likely the players who want their team to win, will trip the guy up or tackle him.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Obama did everything Alinsky prescribed. He went to Chicago, home of Alinsky and the place where Davis had worked for the communist revolution. Obama trained at the Industrial Areas Foundation, an Alinsky training institute. He organized in Chicago and did voter registration and training for ACORN. He went to law school. He built political alliances. He kept a tight lock on his records and his past.
LOGIC: there are those of us who are fully aware of all this . . . but the mass of folks out there are not listening. They don't want to believe there is a big hidden agenda w/ Obama. That would mean they were duped.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:11 AM
 
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The stimulus is an abject failure, by any measure. It has not done what they claimed it would do. Almost a trillion dollars going to pet projects of the dems/libs.

Many at the time said as much, it was not really a stimulus and it would not work as structured.

They said it would keep UE below 8%, they said it would create immediate jobs and provide a jolt to the economy.

The numbers he used to sell this crap sandwich were deemed too optimistic by many, including the CBO. We will see just how wrong they were when obama releases his budget update in August.

His budget ($4 trillion) will create massive deficits $9 trillion by 2019 and he will double the debt.

He has embraced our murderous, dictatorial enemies - Chavez, Ahmedinejad, Castro, Ortega, Noriaga while shunning our democratic allies.

With his massive spending, there is NO WAY he will NOT refrain from raising taxes on the middle class.
In addition to what was said above

He has not brought home massive numbers of troops in August as he claimed during his campaign last year. He ran primarily in opposition to the Iraq war and promised to have mass troop withdrawls by August of 2009. Thus far, it has been status quo with regards to the War.

He enacts policies like Cash for Clunkers which essentially translates to Americans footing the bill (2 billion dollars thus far) for a program that allows people to trade in a clunker that is worth $500 for a credit that is worth up to $4500 so that people can buy a new car.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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He's failed to bring people together. He's made Bush 43 look light a tightwad when it comes to driving up the deficits. He's a proponent of backroom deals, lobbying, and non transparency. He's partisan and petty. He's far to the left. He's for bigger, not better, more intrusive government. He's a puppet with little true leadership ability. He's certainly not the genius some hoped he was. He's more like Bush and Carter and Nixon than Reagan or Clinton. What can be said about him? The economy is temporarily improving slightly despite his best efforts to derail it?
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: OB
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try to kill the President of the United States because they don't agree with what he's doing.
I'm not a socialist nor commie. I will fight for your and my freedom, even if it took me into direct confrontation with the president. The underlying notion of our right to bear arms is revolution. If the gov't strays too far, we can and will take it back, through force if necessary.

I dont like where Obama is going, but dont think assasination is in order. If I was Venezualian or Iranian, I would call for the assasination of my pres.
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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Stimulus a failure? Fine. Even if I grant you that, it doesn't mean he has failed. His term's not done yet; how can you fail a race that just started?

All of the other stuff you mentioned, I won't get into. But even if I grant them all, again, he's less than a year in. I get it, you disagree with what he's done. But how does that make him a failure when his term isn't done yet?
Your complaint is misplaced--at least its target is. It's Obama and his henchmen who created the expectations of success right out of the box with the blather about the first 100 days and comparing his administration to FDR's. The FDR myth is so entrenched in the public psyche that to ask to be measured by that standard is to invite unfavorable comparison. He asked for it--he's getting it.
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