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Old 08-20-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Even if Obama takes out the Public Option, gives up on reducing Medicare, and compromises on most of the rest, if he can just get a bill passed and signed that says the Fed Govt is responsible for SOME part of Health Care, Obama will have accomplished his primary goal.

And that primary goal is to extend Federal power into the field of paying for people's fundamental health. Once that's done, he can start passing "additional" laws.

For example, to start restricting drinking because if there's less drinking the Fed Govt will have to pay less to treat people with cirrosis and people in drunk-driving crashes.

And to regulate and restrict skydiving so the Fed Govt can save money on treating people whose canopies don't inflate right. And then restrict pickup games of tackle football. And then rugby. And then soccer.

And to regulate the amount of fat in foods so that the Fed Govt won't have to pay so much to treat obese people's heart disease.

And to lower speed limits across the country, so there will be fewer high-speed crashes and less money spent by the Fed Govt to treat victims of same.

Once the leftists can get the Federal Government responsible for even a small part of your Health Care, that opens up a huge new vista of things the Federal government can start to regulate. And they can pile up the new rules and restrictions endlessly - because it's up to them now, to save money on Health Care, so they'll be able to spread that money around and treat more people.

See how it works?

It doesn't matter how much of Obamacare gets chopped out of the present bills in Congress. If the leftists can pass just a small fraction of what they ultimately want, they can then start the process of expanding government's control of the rest.

For your own good, of course.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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He will get hammered either way...he is a loser no matter what he does becoz he cant please everybody as he would like to do...
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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He will get hammered either way...
Maybe so. But the socialism he plants, will spread like a plague, once it's established that the Fed is responsible for paying for your health care.

Because that will give the Fed the right to regulate ANYTHING that might raise the cost of health care... and that will include nearly everything people do on Earth.

As I said, see how it works?
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:10 PM
 
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Yes..and along those same lines - Obama has promised no tax increases on the middle class. This is a calculated move. HE may not ever raise taxes on the middle class (although I don't believe that), but future President's will be required to raise taxes to pay for his outrageous spending. It's absolutely disingenuous to keep saying that taxes won't be raised when he knows that it will happen sooner or later - under his watch or not. One lie perpetrated after the other. Same sh*t different day in Washington.
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Of course. It's a standard politician's trick. But the real goal, is to pass programs that mandate CONTINUAL spending increases and government control. FDR did it hugely with WPA, CCC, Social Security, etc. Johnson did it with Welfare.

And now the King of them all is looming on the horizon: Govt-controlled Health Care.

Making govt responsible for that, makes them responsible for nearly every human activity on earth. And gives them the authority to regulate it, ad infinitum.
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Old 08-21-2009, 09:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Yes..and along those same lines - Obama has promised no tax increases on the middle class. This is a calculated move. HE may not ever raise taxes on the middle class (although I don't believe that), but future President's will be required to raise taxes to pay for his outrageous spending. It's absolutely disingenuous to keep saying that taxes won't be raised when he knows that it will happen sooner or later - under his watch or not. One lie perpetrated after the other. Same sh*t different day in Washington.
Does anyone think that, once the Fed gets its claws into even a tiny bit of responsibility for paying for Health Care, that it WON'T start expanding that responsibility later, gradually taking over more and more? And that the money it spends to do so, won't start increasing without end?
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