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Old 08-25-2009, 12:19 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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Originally Posted by RjRobb2 View Post
Palin didnt defeat Obama in anything. There was nothing for her to defeat him in. She came out and made some bull**** statement about something that never existed.

Obama did, however, defeat Palin in the thing that matters most and that is the 2008 Presidential Election.

More people talk about her that Obama....She will rise up....
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:45 PM
 
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You cannot see the forest for the trees...

Sorry folks, Sarah Palin is (partly) right | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20090819/OPINION05/90819047/1068/opinion/The-truth-about-death-panels - broken link)


Palin Defeats Obama - Part 2 | Newsflavor



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The intelligentsia have been quick to dismiss former Alaska governor Sarah Palin’s claimthat, under President Obama’s health plan, “my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide…whether they are worthy of health care.”


No one ever accused Palin of being a health policy expert, and many found her hyperbolic term “death panel” off-putting. But that should not distract voters from this reality: President Obama has proposed a new body that would enhance Medicare’s ability to deny care to the elderly and disabled based on government bureaucrats’ arbitrary valuations of those patients’ lives.
It is right there in the legislation now before Congress, and it is called the Independent Medicare Advisory Council.

Enter the Obama administration, which submitted to Congress legislative language that would create IMAC and give it broad authority to recommend “reforms to the Medicare program.” In effect, IMAC would enable Medicare to overcome the political resistance to government rationing.

Yet that error hardly excuses the media’s mishandling of Palin’s “death panel” claim, particularly since Obama himself corroborates it. Obama’s first pick to head his health reform efforts—former Senate Majority Tom Daschle—proposed an IMAC-like panel despite the fact that “doctors and patients might resent” the panel making decisions about “matters of life and death.” Back in June, in response to a question about “subjective” end-of-life decisions, President Obama said, “I think we have to have rules.” And who would make those rules? His IMAC proposal tells us.


Lest you think this too Orwellian to become reality, consider that this type of government rationing already happens in the United Kingdom. Britain’s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (or “NICE”) generally refuses to cover medical treatments that cost more than $35,000 per year of life saved.
Whatever one thinks of Sarah Palin should not distract from this truth: President Obama proposes to let government bureaucrats decide who gets medical care and who does not.


Sorry folks, Sarah Palin is (partly) right | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20090819/OPINION05/90819047/1068/opinion/The-truth-about-death-panels - broken link)

Palin Defeats Obama - Part 2 | Newsflavor
Making a leap from providing end-of-life counselling to enabling Medicare to deny seniors health care is pretty absurd, young one.

Where have you guys been all this time insurance companies have denied people health care so that their profits would increase? Seems rather silly to be outraged now.

I'm still waiting to see this mythological pro-life party I've heard so much about. Then again, making people compete for their very survival does seem very Christians-mauled-by-lions-esque.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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Making a leap from providing end-of-life counselling to enabling Medicare to deny seniors health care is pretty absurd, young one.

Where have you guys been all this time insurance companies have denied people health care so that their profits would increase? Seems rather silly to be outraged now.

I'm still waiting to see this mythological pro-life party I've heard so much about. Then again, making people compete for their very survival does seem very Christians-mauled-by-lions-esque.
I suggest you read the link...

Thank you!

Sorry folks, Sarah Palin is (partly) right | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20090819/OPINION05/90819047/1068/opinion/The-truth-about-death-panels - broken link)



No one ever accused Palin of being a health policy expert, and many found her hyperbolic term “death panel” off-putting. But that should not distract voters from this reality: President Obama has proposed a new body that would enhance Medicare’s ability to deny care to the elderly and disabled based on government bureaucrats’ arbitrary valuations of those patients’ lives.
It is right there in the legislation now before Congress, and it is called the Independent Medicare Advisory Council.

Former CMS chief Mark McClellan notes that a mixed record of judicial interpretations and some specific congressional actions, for example on broad coverage of cancer treatments, have tied Medicare’s hands somewhat. But he agrees: “I do think that political pressures have limited the agency’s ability to go further.”

Enter the Obama administration, which submitted to Congress legislative language that would create IMAC and give it broad authority to recommend “reforms to the Medicare program.” In effect, IMAC would enable Medicare to overcome the political resistance to government rationing.


Whatever one thinks of Sarah Palin should not distract from this truth: President Obama proposes to let government bureaucrats decide who gets medical care and who does not.


Sorry folks, Sarah Palin is (partly) right | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com (http://www.freep.com/article/20090819/OPINION05/90819047/1068/opinion/The-truth-about-death-panels - broken link)
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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Dude. I did read the link. Just because someone publishes and opinion piece doesn't make it fact.

I stand by the FACT that the conclusion drawn by the author of that article is an absurd deduction based on absolutely no evidence.

Sarah Palin remains a sinful liar.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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Dude. I did read the link. Just because someone publishes and opinion piece doesn't make it fact.

I stand by the FACT that the conclusion drawn by the author of that article is an absurd deduction based on absolutely no evidence.

Sarah Palin remains a sinful liar.
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I assume you are being humorous there?

The contradiction contained within that one sentence is astounding!

Good one!

Now read the link - including the secondary link within the article. Then follow that up with some research regarding what was included in the stimulus bill that connects the dots to the proposed health care bill.

Rather worrisome...
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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I assume you are being humorous there?

The contradiction contained within that one sentence is astounding!

Good one!

Now read the link - including the secondary link within the article. Then follow that up with some research regarding what was included in the stimulus bill that connects the dots to the proposed health care bill.

Rather worrisome...
What's worrisome is you taking OPINIONS, Palin's proven beyond a doubt lies and blog pieces as fact. You go ahead and Twit while the people who really care about this country are reading the bills.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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What's worrisome is you taking OPINIONS, Palin's proven beyond a doubt lies and blog pieces as fact. You go ahead and Twit while the people who really care about this country are reading the bills.
Palin Defeats Obama | Newsflavor

Palin Defeats Obama - Part 2 | Newsflavor
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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What's worrisome is you taking OPINIONS, Palin's proven beyond a doubt lies and blog pieces as fact. You go ahead and Twit while the people who really care about this country are reading the bills.
Especially opinions posted on Freeper, for crying out loud.
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:13 PM
 
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___________

I assume you are being humorous there?

The contradiction contained within that one sentence is astounding!

Good one!

Now read the link - including the secondary link within the article. Then follow that up with some research regarding what was included in the stimulus bill that connects the dots to the proposed health care bill.

Rather worrisome...
Of course I was being humorous to illustrate the absurdity of your position.

I've read everything you have to offer, and it remains a radical opinion based on unsubstantiated extrapolation.

The fact still stands that Palin is a sinful liar.
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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WTH is NewsFlavor? Black and white ice cream? A rapper? Back to school lollipop? Edible paper?

Just checked it out, an online blog, a place where anyone can submit a piece and call it 'news'.

NEXT!!
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