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Old 09-12-2009, 04:39 AM
 
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I am an atheist, which makes me a minority. I also have deep respect for Barry Goldwater and Ron Paul who's political ideas I strongly gravitate to. While I am not 100% on board with either on their political views and will disagree with their personal beliefs in God, I would be proud to call myself a Conservative for supporting these men.

Unfortunately, Goldwater and Paul seem to be an aberration in the Republican party rather than the norm.

I have never once called myself a Republican and I am not sure that I ever will, but I do appreciate certain Conservative philosophy. It makes me passionate about politics.
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Old 09-12-2009, 05:39 AM
 
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I am an atheist, which makes me a minority. I also have deep respect for Barry Goldwater and Ron Paul who's political ideas I strongly gravitate to. While I am not 100% on board with either on their political views and will disagree with their personal beliefs in God, I would be proud to call myself a Conservative for supporting these men.

Unfortunately, Goldwater and Paul seem to be an aberration in the Republican party rather than the norm.

I have never once called myself a Republican and I am not sure that I ever will, but I do appreciate certain Conservative philosophy. It makes me passionate about politics.
You are not a minority for being an atheist. Choosing a lifestyle or a belief system (lack there of) does not constitute you as a minority. You chose your beliefs. Otherwise everyone would be a minority for specific beliefs, or alternative lifestyles that they live. Which in turn would mean there are no true minorities at all. I'm a Spiritualist and a Conservative. My beliefs do not constitute me as a minority, especially since majority of people understand atheism more so than spirituality.
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Old 09-12-2009, 05:57 AM
 
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You are not a minority for being an atheist. Choosing a lifestyle or a belief system (lack there of) does not constitute you as a minority. You chose your beliefs. Otherwise everyone would be a minority for specific beliefs, or alternative lifestyles that they live. Which in turn would mean there are no true minorities at all. I'm a Spiritualist and a Conservative. My beliefs do not constitute me as a minority, especially since majority of people understand atheism more so than spirituality.
I am a minority. I have been asked to leave this Christian nation numerous times and someone even had the gall to tell me to change my name, Michael, since it is a Christian name unfit for an atheist.

I have even experienced a President calling us neither citizens or patriots.

I have been subjected to the intolerance that many minorities receive, in which I am a minority. According to Pew, only 16.1% are unaffiliated while only 1.6% are self proclaimed atheist living in a country that is composed by 78.4% Christians.
Statistics on Religion in America Report -- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Any politician that ran as an atheist would be subject to severe discrimination, especially by the Republican Party.


YouTube - Republican Candidates Don't Believe in Evolution

I am a minority and will be discriminated against many public offices for holding my belief. Why you are ignorant of this is beyond me, but it is not surprising.
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:37 AM
 
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Do you really believe that White Americans don't have problems in this country? If you do, then I'm sorry, but you're either naive, or very delusional. Believe it or not, even white Americans face their share of discrimination, harassment and unlike minorities, White don't have programs and affirmative actions to give them an edge.


A. I never said white Americans do not face problems in this country. What I said is minorities face a different set of problems.

B. Affirmative action benefits white women far more than any other minority in this country. I suggest you check the numbers because this a statement I always hear the right toss out.

You still have not answered the question why is the 93% of Republican party made up of whites. You can try to spin this any way you like but the numbers do not lie. My question is why is this so.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:27 AM
 
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I am asking this because I am a minority male and I am in the middle but leaning towards conservative/republican policies. I know most blacks are democrats, but most I know can't give me a good reason why they are democrats. Most say they vote democrat because their parents are or because most blacks are or some just couldn't give me a reason. In my region, around 35% of the population is black. I voted in the past presidential elections back in 2000 and 2004 and the most I have waited was 15 minutes. This year I waited 3 1/2 hours just to vote. I noticed a lot of blacks and other minorities (hispanics, asians, etc.) were there. Some older people in the line told me that this was the first time they voted and it was because President Obama is black. I find that to be sad because it looks bad on my race and that we just voted for Obama because he is black (biracial). I asked some blacks why are they voting for Obama and the majority couldn't give me a reason other than his physical appearance. I voted for McCain because I agree with more of his views and think that he has the experience to lead this country. Now I don't think Palin was the best choice, but I agree with some of her values of pro-life, fiscal conservatism, etc? I would've rather he selected Huckabee or Guilanni but what's done is done. Obama is too liberal for me and it seems like he talks a lot but doesn't say much. With the state of the black and hispanic communities (extremely high crime, poverty, lack of education, etc.), socialism doesn't help with our values. I know sometimes a person needs help but you can't live off the government for your entire life. I believe in being fair, being fiscally conservative, and doing what is right.

What I want to know is if you are a minority, are you afraid to admit that you are a republican? If you are a democrat, why are you one? And if you are white and democratic, why is that? Did you vote for Obama because he seems "cool" and just following what most of the celebrities (Oprah, P. Diddy, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Sharon Ozborne, Lindsay Lohan, etc.) are saying?
I am mixed Republican but I live in a small town. I wouldn't start a debate in downtown Newark (NJ) with other minority's . My friend is a female white highschool teacher and republican, the union meetings are the worst.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:36 AM
 
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I am a minority. I have been asked to leave this Christian nation numerous times and someone even had the gall to tell me to change my name, Michael, since it is a Christian name unfit for an atheist.

I have even experienced a President calling us neither citizens or patriots.

I have been subjected to the intolerance that many minorities receive, in which I am a minority. According to Pew, only 16.1% are unaffiliated while only 1.6% are self proclaimed atheist living in a country that is composed by 78.4% Christians.
Statistics on Religion in America Report -- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Any politician that ran as an atheist would be subject to severe discrimination, especially by the Republican Party.


YouTube - Republican Candidates Don't Believe in Evolution

I am a minority and will be discriminated against many public offices for holding my belief. Why you are ignorant of this is beyond me, but it is not surprising.
You have a point ,I love to talk to anyone from any place on earth ,any color any religion. I have never enjoyed a conversation or debate with an atheist . After smokers and fat people (who I enjoy talking with)you are treated badly. On the bright side its YOU that people dislike , not your appearance.
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Old 09-12-2009, 09:34 AM
 
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You are not a minority because you are an Atheist. Sorry.
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:34 AM
 
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I am a minority. I have been asked to leave this Christian nation numerous times and someone even had the gall to tell me to change my name, Michael, since it is a Christian name unfit for an atheist.

I have even experienced a President calling us neither citizens or patriots.

I have been subjected to the intolerance that many minorities receive, in which I am a minority. According to Pew, only 16.1% are unaffiliated while only 1.6% are self proclaimed atheist living in a country that is composed by 78.4% Christians.
Statistics on Religion in America Report -- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Any politician that ran as an atheist would be subject to severe discrimination, especially by the Republican Party.


YouTube - Republican Candidates Don't Believe in Evolution

I am a minority and will be discriminated against many public offices for holding my belief. Why you are ignorant of this is beyond me, but it is not surprising.

Well I guess in your case, if ignorance is indeed bliss, you must be on cloud nine. No, your religious/spiritual beliefs or lack there of does NOT constitute you as a minority. The reality is this, you want to be a minority because you have a need to possess that victim mentality. News Flash, you chose to be an atheist, you were not born that way and you can convert to any belief system at given time. So no, you are not now or will ever be a "minority" based on what you believe or don't believe. But nice try though. On a secondary note, I am a spiritualist and a Conservative Republican. I do not follow any religious sect or affiliation. So your assumption that all Republicans are "Christians" is ignorant. Republicans hold many different beliefs, which do include, but not limited to Bahai, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Spiritualism, Paganism, and so on.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:45 AM
 
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I am asking this because I am a minority male and I am in the middle but leaning towards conservative/republican policies. I know most blacks are democrats, but most I know can't give me a good reason why they are democrats. Most say they vote democrat because their parents are or because most blacks are or some just couldn't give me a reason. In my region, around 35% of the population is black. I voted in the past presidential elections back in 2000 and 2004 and the most I have waited was 15 minutes. This year I waited 3 1/2 hours just to vote. I noticed a lot of blacks and other minorities (hispanics, asians, etc.) were there. Some older people in the line told me that this was the first time they voted and it was because President Obama is black. I find that to be sad because it looks bad on my race and that we just voted for Obama because he is black (biracial). I asked some blacks why are they voting for Obama and the majority couldn't give me a reason other than his physical appearance. I voted for McCain because I agree with more of his views and think that he has the experience to lead this country. Now I don't think Palin was the best choice, but I agree with some of her values of pro-life, fiscal conservatism, etc? I would've rather he selected Huckabee or Guilanni but what's done is done. Obama is too liberal for me and it seems like he talks a lot but doesn't say much. With the state of the black and hispanic communities (extremely high crime, poverty, lack of education, etc.), socialism doesn't help with our values. I know sometimes a person needs help but you can't live off the government for your entire life. I believe in being fair, being fiscally conservative, and doing what is right.

What I want to know is if you are a minority, are you afraid to admit that you are a republican? If you are a democrat, why are you one? And if you are white and democratic, why is that? Did you vote for Obama because he seems "cool" and just following what most of the celebrities (Oprah, P. Diddy, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Sharon Ozborne, Lindsay Lohan, etc.) are saying?

Simply the fact that you felt is necessary to even post the question is just an example of the intolerance of liberals. Because you are a minority, you MUST be a liberal, otherwise face the consequences from the left. Choice is not an option to these facists. You better damn well do as you are told- boy! They really consider you to be the property of the left and not just another individual who can choose to do whatever you want to do in America.

It is very shocking and sad that the libs do not respect the rights of an individual to be whatever they want to be, and are convinced that they know what is best for you and will enforce that belief through the weapons of political correctness, social pressure, and liberal intolerance indoctrination. They are enlightened facists who have the audacity and arrogance to choose the path of another citizen's life for them. Thier views are directly contrary to the spirit of the US and harken to the days of feudalism, in which "enlightened beings" told everyone else how to live and used force if necessary. Got to keep all the "idiots" in thier place. Sound familiar? This is why liberalism uses the modification of language through political correctness as a weapon to intimidate and discourage opposition. Disagree? You are just "stupid", or are a "racist". Stalin is smiling in hell, I am quite sure, looking at the development of the American left. They have done more to damage the country than any foreign army ever could have done.

Be whatever you want to be. Sometimes that choice leads one to a democrat, sometimes to republican. Sometimes to other options. For the time being, however, you still have the right to choose in America.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:53 AM
 
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My dad (deceased) was a staunch Republican. He was black. My mom (still living) is and has always been a staunch Democrat. FWIW, she's black as well.

Elections were always fun for the siblings and I. Sit around and watch them make half-joking, half-serious comments about the other's politics. In the end, we'd all laugh. Good times.
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