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More than a year after he was forced to disown his Chicago pastor, President Obama has begun to attend services led by a Christian chaplain who views Islam as a violent faith.
Mr Obama has been an irregular church attender since becoming President, but has expressed a fondness for Carey Cash, the navy chaplain at the Camp David presidential retreat who has been criticised for proselytising in the military and his mistrust of Islam.
More than a year after he was forced to disown his Chicago pastor, President Obama has begun to attend services led by a Christian chaplain who views Islam as a violent faith.
Mr Obama has been an irregular church attender since becoming President, but has expressed a fondness for Carey Cash, the navy chaplain at the Camp David presidential retreat who has been criticized for proselytizing in the military and his mistrust of Islam.
Islam is violent. It always has been, and I have no reason to expect it will change.
How does someone in the position of military chaplain draw criticism for proselytizing? That's his job.
Of course, if he proselytized the way Muslims often do, that would be an issue.
If someone said Christianity is violent, this forum would protest. It's a double standard. And before you cite evidence of Muslims committing terrorism, I can do the same with Christians doing the same including the the slaughter of 30,000 Bosnian Muslims by Christian Serbs on the basis of ethnic cleansing. This took place in the early 1990's so this wasn't 50 years ago.
Telling others that Islam is violent isn't proselytizing. That isn't sharing and dispersing the teachings of Christianity. That is merely one person spreading his personal opinion. I find it hypocritical that those who criticized Obama's previous minister is okay a person spreading hate about another faith. So it's okay to spread hate about one aspect but not another?
If someone said Christianity is violent, this forum would protest. It's a double standard. And before you cite evidence of Muslims committing terrorism, I can do the same with Christians doing the same including the the slaughter of 30,000 Bosnian Muslims by Christian Serbs on the basis of ethnic cleansing. This took place in the early 1990's so this wasn't 50 years ago.
Telling others that Islam is violent isn't proselytizing. That isn't sharing and dispersing the teachings of Christianity. That is merely one person spreading his personal opinion. I find it hypocritical that those who criticized Obama's previous minister is okay a person spreading hate about another faith. So it's okay to spread hate about one aspect but not another?
If someone said Christianity were violent, I would give them a link to the New Testament and ask them to find the part they feel instructs any believer to kill civilians and conquer nations. I would have them find any part of the scriptures that guaranteed eternal life for any action except trusting in the person of Christ.
As for the Serbs, were they hoping to receive a reward from God for killing Muslims? If so, what scripture did they use to rationalize the killing of non-combatants? Wasn't it largely an effort by a Christian nation that ended the violence on both sides?
You're a smart cookie, so you should have no trouble grasping the concept of a nation, tribe, clan, etc being largely Christian or Muslim and doing something that is in opposition to their own faith. Stealing, for example, is always wrong in both religions. The same could be said about adultery, lying, gossiping, cursing and the like. But Islam is different in that those who are not followers are to pay a tax or be killed for not converting. A Muslim who converts to any religion from Islam will likely be executed for doing so. Throughout history we have examples of persons calling themselves Christians doing very un-Christian things, but no where does the Bible support persecution of non-Christians in any form. This is not the case with Islam that clearly prescribes penalties for rejecting Islam.
Qur'an (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
[quote=azriverfan.;11211914]If someone said Christianity is violent, this forum would protest. It's a double standard.
This is garbage,Christians have their faith mocked and insulted all..
The time and do nothing.Being critical of the "Religon of peace"..
Can earn you a death sentence,just ask Geert Wilders or Rushdie..
And many others.Their are also laws in europe where you can be..
Jailed or face charges if you are critical of this religon.
European countries are so terrified of violence they restrict the..
Freedom of speech for their citizens and cater to a religous minority.
Im a christian and have my faith insulted sometimes on TV,Film.etc
To my Knowledge none of the people who have created these shows..
Deal with threats or have 24/7 security and move from location to location.
Humans are violent and often find religious justification for their violent tendencies. Islam lends itself nicely to those who would commit mass killings for political gains. Got lots of examples of Atheist states committing all sorts of heinous crimes against humanity. Nazis and Communists come to mind, so I'm not sure your blanket accusation applies to religion as a whole. Lots of the young men who died fighting against the murderous Atheist states were Christians by the way.
If someone said Christianity is violent, this forum would protest. It's a double standard. And before you cite evidence of Muslims committing terrorism, I can do the same with Christians doing the same including the the slaughter of 30,000 Bosnian Muslims by Christian Serbs on the basis of ethnic cleansing.
By equating the actions of Muslim terrorists with the Christian Serbs, you're failing to distinguish the role religion plays in the motivation of the killers. The Serbs never claimed that they did what they did because of their religious beliefs, although the fact that the Bosnians were non-Christians certainly played a role. In other words, they were not commanded by their religion to kill the Bosnians. OTOH, Muslims kill based on religious duty. That's a very important distinction.
It should also be noted that Muslim terrorism, especially when perpetrated on non-Muslims, very rarely is criticized by the Muslim clerical establishment.
This is today. Further back in history, you can come up with good examples of the Church leading the charge to mass murder.
Agreed..People tend to forget that Christians enslaved people in this country for almost 500 years. After they'd whip, rape and pillage their slaves, they head to off church.
If someone said Christianity is violent, this forum would protest. It's a double standard. And before you cite evidence of Muslims committing terrorism, I can do the same with Christians doing the same including the the slaughter of 30,000 Bosnian Muslims by Christian Serbs on the basis of ethnic cleansing. This took place in the early 1990's so this wasn't 50 years ago.
Telling others that Islam is violent isn't proselytizing. That isn't sharing and dispersing the teachings of Christianity. That is merely one person spreading his personal opinion. I find it hypocritical that those who criticized Obama's previous minister is okay a person spreading hate about another faith. So it's okay to spread hate about one aspect but not another?
No double standard at all.
the christisan bible has things like "Love your enemy" "do good to those who violently use you" and Love your neighbor as yourself...
and of course the golden rule do unto others as you would have them do unto you....
and the koran has things like "Cut off the head of the infedel"
There is a difference. When a christian acts out violently he does so in opposition to scripture. When a muslim acts out violently he does so in obedience.
THAT is the difference.
Thank God Obama has found a spiritual leader with some sense. maybe it will rub off.
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