Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
If you all admire our socialized medicine up here so much, then why aren't you stampeding toward the border and asking to move here? This is what I don't understand.
I think people like you individually, and I say it respectfully, are suffering from the "grass is greener" syndrome. You have heard things about our system and you're so fed up with your own that you're ready to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater and go full-tilt toward socialism.
Ya know, if I had the money to move up there, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I'm trying to make it through college, get a good job and I'll be putting away money to move up there.
Trust me, if I had the money...I would be there.
My first choice wouldn't be Canada though. I'd choose France or Germany.
If you all admire our socialized medicine up here so much, then why aren't you stampeding toward the border and asking to move here? This is what I don't understand.
I think people like you individually, and I say it respectfully, are suffering from the "grass is greener" syndrome. You have heard things about our system and you're so fed up with your own that you're ready to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater and go full-tilt toward socialism.
Also, how is the Canadian health care system socialized?
I thought socialism was government ONLY. The UK is more socialized than the Canadian system.
With Canada public dollars are used to obtain private care. The doctors aren't working for the government and the hospitals are not owned by the government (at least not for the most part). The care is paid for through a government insurance plan.
Canada's Rebuttal to Our Health Care Ghost Stories (Universal Health Care - Change.org) (http://healthcare.change.org/blog/view/canadas_rebuttal_to_our_health_care_ghost_stories - broken link)
Also, how is the Canadian health care system socialized?
I thought socialism was government ONLY. The UK is more socialized than the Canadian system.
With Canada public dollars are used to obtain private care. The doctors aren't working for the government and the hospitals are not owned by the government (at least not for the most part). The care is paid for through a government insurance plan.
It's socialized in that no one is allowed to opt out of it and go another route. It's deducted from your pay as income tax. Hospital and physician services are 100% publicly financed (as required by the Canada Health Act).
Government-run HC leads to rationing, no doubt about it. We see it in Canada, the UK, France and other countries with huge HC entitlements. When rationing, someone who works for that huge bloated bureaucracy must make the decisions (those "independent panels" of obama's that will make determinations) on who to treat, when and how much it will cost.
=====death panels.
It already does happen here. It is called private insurance.
That all has to do with suppy/demand. If you don't have anybody going to the doctor like here ( cause nobody can afford it), then you won't have to wait. I'd rather wait and have everybody covered. I don't care if I don't get an appointment for a dermatologist the next day or not. And I gotta tell you that there have been many occasions where I had to wait too.
A friend of mine has cancer, and he usually waits weeks for a simply blood tests etc.
Supply and demand is true. A certain amount of resources are available to treat the population. When you have older patients you have a greater concentration of medical issues putting pressure on the supply. This creates longer wait and limited availability. To someone with a chronic, critical health condition, this could equal a death sentence if they are forced to wait for visits or procedures.
At least here, if you are denied for a procedure, it can still be scheduled in a timely fashion.
Having been through cancer diagnosises in several family members I find it difficult to believe that your friend had to 'wait weeks' for simple blood tests. DH, MIL's oncologists had their bloodwork done on the spot or at an outside lab after leaving their PCP's office.
It's socialized in that no one is allowed to opt out of it and go another route. It's deducted from your pay as income tax. Hospital and physician services are 100% publicly financed (as required by the Canada Health Act).
I'm not saying the Canadian system was perfect but we have a lot to learn from other countries and how their health care system works.
I personally prefer the German health care system.
That ruling applies to Quebec only. Quebec is a little different with regard to their culture and people, and they have a very independent streak (which is not always a bad thing). Unfortunately, we in the rest of Canada don't have the option. At least not at this time.
More from that article you cited, "The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Thursday that the Quebec government cannot prevent people from paying for private insurance for health-care procedures covered under medicare...
In 1996, Montreal businessman George Zeliotis waited a year for hip replacement surgery. While waiting, he asked whether he could purchase insurance that would allow him to skip the public queue and pay directly for the surgery.
When he learned it was against the law, he took his case to court."
Mind you the article was posted in 2005 but fewer companies are offering health insurance benefits to their employees and if they do, more of them are putting the costs on their employees.
Health insurance was once a fringe benefit, a perk, to lure prospective employees. No where had it been written that businesses are required to supply employees with health insurance.
That ruling applies to Quebec only. Quebec is a little different with regard to their culture and people, and they have a very independent streak (which is not always a bad thing). Unfortunately, we in the rest of Canada don't have the option. At least not at this time.
More from that article you cited, "The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Thursday that the Quebec government cannot prevent people from paying for private insurance for health-care procedures covered under medicare...
In 1996, Montreal businessman George Zeliotis waited a year for hip replacement surgery. While waiting, he asked whether he could purchase insurance that would allow him to skip the public queue and pay directly for the surgery.
When he learned it was against the law, he took his case to court."
It rather proves my point.
Ah yes....it proves mine as well: NO SYSTEM IS PERFECT!
I can bring up all sorts of stories of the horror of the American health care market as well.
I have read about this story and felt it was unfourtunate. People fall through the cracks in every country but if you look at the satisfaction rate among Canadians when it comes to their health care system....they like it a lot. They wouldn't dare bring upon the kind of "system" we have here upon themselves.
As I said earlier, we can learn a lot from other countries.
That ruling applies to Quebec only. Quebec is a little different with regard to their culture and people, and they have a very independent streak (which is not always a bad thing). Unfortunately, we in the rest of Canada don't have the option. At least not at this time.
More from that article you cited, "The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Thursday that the Quebec government cannot prevent people from paying for private insurance for health-care procedures covered under medicare...
In 1996, Montreal businessman George Zeliotis waited a year for hip replacement surgery. While waiting, he asked whether he could purchase insurance that would allow him to skip the public queue and pay directly for the surgery.
When he learned it was against the law, he took his case to court."
It rather proves my point.
Interesting. The system the US is trying to move away from is the system Quebec's citizens are trying to adopt.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
