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Yeah, this is their latest desperate attempt to turn things around.
Imagine this! People and business contributing to political campaigns! Of course, the millions raised by liberal front groups in 2006 and 2008 didn't seem to bother them so much...or Soros' millions either.
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Funny how all of this outrage never surfaced when the likes of Peter Lewis of Progressive insurance and George Soros helped to make Democrats financially dominant in 2006 and 2008.
According to the Center for Competitive Politics, close to half of the unions that are members of the AFL-CIO are international.
Here is the REAL reason;
Liberals want the names of business donors made public so they can become targets of vilification with the goal of intimidating them into silence.
The dems are so desperate to remain in power, become the dominate ruling class forever and elevate themselves to elite status (at least in their own minds) that they will gleefully attempt any method of intimidation to silence their opponents.
This is nothing new, they (and to be truthful the republicans too) have been behaving like this since the inception of the parties.
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Yeah, this is their latest desperate attempt to turn things around.
Imagine this! People and business contributing to political campaigns! Of course, the millions raised by liberal front groups in 2006 and 2008 didn't seem to bother them so much...or Soros' millions either.
Here is the REAL reason;
Liberals want the names of business donors made public so they can become targets of vilification with the goal of intimidating them into silence.
McCarthyism at it's finest.
Do you know what McCarthyism actually was? That Republican Senator went on an all too real witch hunt of people he imagined had ties to communists, AND YET one of the biggest reasons to support full campaign disclosure is because the new ruling on the law allows foreign governments and corporations (like the Chinese--actual communists!!) to make anonymous donations in our elections, and spend lobbying dollars to influence our policy. Great logic there...
so if they haven't done anything wrong, they don't have anything to worry about, right?
The point, (that wizzing sound as it streaked overhead) is the government, leveling charges with no evidence whatsoever, targeting groups and individuals for political speech they don't like, trying to silence them.
I guess if they and you had complained about the over $400 MILLION in donations that went to elect obama in 2008, you would have a leg to stand on.
The point, (that wizzing sound as it streaked overhead) is the government, leveling charges with no evidence whatsoever, targeting groups and individuals for political speech they don't like, trying to silence them.
I guess if they and you had complained about the over $400 MILLION in donations that went to elect obama in 2008, you would have a leg to stand on.
No--the point YOU missed, (which makes your attempted insult of me even dumber) is that 501(c)(4) organizations (tax exempt) can spend money on campaigns, as long as it's not their primary activity. If they're spending more than half of their budget on campaign work, and/or if they don't seem to have any other purpose as an organization, they run the very real risk of losing their nonprofit status. An example of one of the targeted groups is Crossroads, which appears to be created solely to fund R races.
The argument is that the R's are using those groups as a vehicle to hide the identity of donors (501(c)4's don't have to report), and it sounds like it may be a legitimate concern. Combine that with the new SCOTUS ruling that allows corporations to give unlimited amounts to campaigns, and you set up a system ripe for abuse. You people yammer on about conspiracy theories with George Soros all the time--don't you think it's important for the American people to know who's funding campaigns? Maybe not when it's "your side?" Thats what drives me crazy--it all depends on who's doing it if you're upset or not. I think what's right is right. This isn't a football game.
The argument is that the R's are using those groups as a vehicle to hide the identity of donors (501(c)4's don't have to report), and it sounds like it may be a legitimate concern.
There is no argument, just baseless attacks by this president who coordinated with his left-wing rag propaganda site.
But a closer examination shows that there is little evidence that what the chamber does in collecting overseas dues is improper or even unusual, according to both liberal and conservative election-law lawyers and campaign finance documents.
Organizations from both ends of the political spectrum, from liberal ones like the A.F.L.-C.I.O. and the Sierra Club to conservative groups like the National Rifle Association, have international affiliations and get money from foreign entities while at the same time pushing political causes in the United States.
I don't see obama and the dems clamoring for full disclosure from the unions or from their left-wing mouthpieces in the press, like Stink Progress.
And Obama failed to mention that plenty of groups on the Left, especially labor unions, raise money outside the US as well.
The President makes an accusation of lawbreaking without any evidence of it, and the entity accused has to prove their innocence? In this country, the government has to prove its case, not the defendant, and even before making an accusation of wrongdoing usually has to have some evidence of the crime in the first place.
McCarthyism.
Face it - this is just a desperate attempt by the WH, the Left and the Dems to manufacture a controversy they hope will gain traction.
There has NEVER been a president who engaged in attacks of segments of the population, individual, business and anyone else who opposes his policies. He is completely alien.
Oh yes, please do continue on this narrative, so we can remind the electorate of what the media covered up in 2008 - a few did not obviously, but there were NOT many stories of obama's illegal donations.
So...just what is the purpose of Crossroads and what type of work have they done that meets the requirement that their primary activity isn't funding candidates? They've spent millions--if they're not in violation of their 501(c)4 tax exempt status, then where did they spend an equal or greater amount of money on non-campaign work? I'd love to hear it. And you think questioning their activities is baseless?
If you bothered to read about the actual complaint, vs. a spin on it, you'd see that it's coming from two campaign finance groups: Democracy 21 and the Campaign Legal Center. Both of those groups have called for similar investigations of Democratically based organizations in the past. Sorry if your conspiracy theory isn't panning out.
If the R's have a problem with unions, then call for an investigation on them as well--make it a huge campaign issue. You could go after their political action groups tax exempt status. Oh wait--you do understand that union campaign work can't be funded with dues, right? They have to do separate, voluntary contributions from their members for their political action funds. I'm sure you also understand that those donations are administered through a PAC? PACs aren't tax exempt, like a 501(c)4. PACS have a $5,000.00 cap on individual contributions if funds are being channeled to candidates, and they're only allowed to solicit directly from their own membership. Ooops...
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