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Old 01-23-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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"The one thing the Cheneyites and Rovians have is nerve. They assert everything with utter certainty and confidence even though their record is appalling. Conservatives and liberals of doubt don't think or act that way. We are aware that we can be wrong; we try and analyze our own mistakes; we try to give a fair hearing to the other side. This can lead to an assumption that we are wusses. Or weak. But of course the opposite is true. It is the strong who can entertain doubt and the weak who cannot. Cheney is not a strong man; he is a bully hiding his own rank moral and political and national security failure. The whole point of the Obama candidacy - why he matters - is that he is a liberal of doubt. But he also showed in the campaign that this was a strength. And when he needed to, he revealed a ruthlessness and radicalism and won.

And that is why this moment is so vital.

He must not just rally the House Dems, he must rally the country. He must bring us back in. And we must back him up. This is not just about a centrist comprehensive health reform bill. It is about defeating an entire brand of cowardly, cynical, spin cycle bull**** that has brought this country down and promoting an adult and reasonable discourse that grapples with our problems.

That's what we elected him for. If he caves now, if he does not mount a huge effort to retain this bill, he will have surrendered on that critical ground. He will have lost his nerve. And if we cave now, all that work we did, all that energy, all that hope, will be squandered as the old politics gets its hands on our collective throats again.

I refuse to believe he has given up; and I refuse to believe we will. This moment is too important as a fulcrum on which this country's future hangs for him or us to give up now. The polls show a divided country. At this point in the adminstrations of my idols, Reagan and Thatcher, the polls were overwhelmingly against them. They faced them down and won.


Mr President, fight. Show you're a fighter. And start to enjoy it."


A Question Of Nerve - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:07 AM
 
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The nerve? I'll say.

What part of "America doesn't want what Obama is selling", doesn't the author understand?
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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What part of "America doesn't want what Obama is selling", doesn't the author understand?
Cheap, easy cliche' one-liners won't be allowed without a thorough dismissal in this thread.


If you want to make an argument, I'll be more than respectful. Otherwise, leave.
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Cheap, easy cliche' one-liners won't be allowed without a thorough dismissal in this thread.


If you want to make an argument, I'll be more than respectful. Otherwise, leave.
Sorry thats all thats needed to dismiss this thread.

Start a better thread next time.
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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He must not just rally the House Dems, he must rally the country. He must bring us back in. And we must back him up.

That's what we elected him for.
1 year later.......
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:35 AM
 
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The nerve? I'll say.

What part of "America doesn't want what Obama is selling", doesn't the author understand?


Liberals will never get it. hussein obama still does not get it. Liberals are the same people that swallow every lie hussein obama utters so we cannot expect them to get it. He has raped our tax dollars and funneled them to his cronies and districts that do not even exist. As a matter a fact this thief has spent our tax dollars for generations to come.

There is going to be a fight all right. A fight against this criminal administration and liberals, both hell bent on destroying this country.

Sorry Charlie, America is waking up.
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:35 AM
 
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Sorry thats all thats needed to dismiss this thread.

Start a better thread next time.
But it's not all that's needed. You and several other of your ideological kin who post here always enter threads, throw their one or two line angry opinion, and then walk away as if what you believe is simply a cemented fact that merely need be stated.

It's not. I agree with the OP. Defend your position for once. Provide evidence for your claim in direct relation to the article without giving into radical tendencies.

One cannot deny that Reagan and Thatcher, both enduring tough economies, fought through the same negatives Obama faces today.

I also agree with the author of the opinion piece that this is a moment of truth for Obama. He has been extremely flexible on the health care plan, to the point that to even utter the phrase "government run" or "socialist medicine" was a flat out lie with a filibuster-proof majority and will be even more so going forward.

But, as Jon Stewart pointed out, Bush pushed through whatever disasters he wanted with far less majority than Obama has now. There are still 18 more Dems than Reps in the Senate, and that is a HUGE majority for a divided nation. No doubt it will balance, as it always does after 2 referendum elections, but until November he has this majority and needs to use it wisely.

This is perhaps the biggest test of his leadership yet.
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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Oy vey, dcsldcd. I knew I wasn't exactly posting on a physics forum, but at least try to make an argument. For it's own sake, even.

"Liberals." Us vs. them. Not even beginning to quantify anything, or make a claim. It's like you're literally not even attempting to disguise yourself as something other than the lowest common denominator-ish RNC talking head regurgitation.


At least try, man.
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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Liberals will never get it. hussein obama still does not get it. Liberals are the same people that swallow every lie hussein obama utters so we cannot expect them to get it. He has raped our tax dollars and funneled them to his cronies and districts that do not even exist. As a matter a fact this theif has spent our tax dollars for generations to come.

There is going to be a fight all right. A fight against this criminal administration and liberals, both hell bent on destroying this country.

Sorry Charlie, America is waking up.
You as well - do you have anything substantive to add to support your opinion? Simply ranting on every thread is not enough. We must elevate the intellectual discourse of this forum if we are to get anywhere.

Move beyond calling him a thief and your bigoted inuendo and get to a level of real political discourse. Present an argument based on fact and not just bigotry and name-calling.
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Oy vey. I knew I wasn't exactly posting on a physics forum, but at least try to make an argument. For it's own sake, even.
Hey genius, don't pat yourself on the back too hard, this thread you started is entirely made up of a cut and paste of someone else's work.

A real deep thinker lol.
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