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Old 02-11-2010, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The anti intellectuals on FOX are amplifying the sentiments of the anti intellectuals in the GOP, all of whom enjoy the support the most clueless people in the developed world.

Rachel Maddow helps bring them up to speed. Smart and pretty, she is.

"If you win the lottery, it does not disprove the existence of a recession"



Rachel Maddow Show
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:38 PM
 
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Way too complicated
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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The demographic of the climate change debate is interesting, more older people disbelieve it than young people. Apparently old people are not capable of believing that humans all 6 billion of us can alter climate, whereas younger people are able to understand the fairly simple science.

Also, curiously, a couple of years ago the only two groups that denied climate change were the Chinese Communists and the American Conservative.

The commies have come around leaving only the American Conservative out of those 6 billion people holding to denial.

My unscientific poll shows a corollary between those who deny Climate change and those who believe in Creation Science.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Oh please. The IPCC and the AGW fanatics are so discredited now, its not even funny.

You have AGW believers now calling for Pauchauri to resign and a "reorganization" to commence.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The demographic of the climate change debate is interesting, more older people disbelieve it than young people. Apparently old people are not capable of believing that humans all 6 billion of us can alter climate, whereas younger people are able to understand the fairly simple science.
Yes! As was stated in her interview as well. It's no surprise that FOX viewers are older and more likely to be skeptical of climate change than younger people.

This is a good thing, one positive in an otherwise bleak picture of denial backed by corporate petro dollars and large stacks of cash to spend on the denial plan to rake it in before they are forced to change their ways
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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The demographic of the climate change debate is interesting, more older people disbelieve it than young people. Apparently old people are not capable of believing that humans all 6 billion of us can alter climate, whereas younger people are able to understand the fairly simple science.
I think you are on to something with the generational gap in regards to GW belief....only I look at it a bit differently; the older people have been around long enough to know BS when they see it, and the young are gullible enough to believe whatever BS is sold to them.
Our ability as a population to "alter climate" is infinitesimal in comparison to the Sun, volcanos, water vapor and a host of other forces. A tax will not change it, for better or worse.
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:08 PM
 
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Our ability as a population to "alter climate" is infinitesimal in comparison to the Sun, volcanos, water vapor and a host of other forces. A tax will not change it, for better or worse.
Quite honestly, this will work as "Exhibit A"

You confuse science with both economics and politics, and such a sweeping denial of mans role in climate change is the very root of the problem in FORCING corporations to clean up their act thru responsible legislation
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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Quite honestly, this will work as "Exhibit A"

You confuse science with both economics and politics, and such a sweeping denial of mans role in climate change is the very root of the problem in FORCING corporations to clean up their act thru responsible legislation
I am not confusing anything. Be honest, you and others believe in using taxation to force a behavior. Furthermore, even with a 180 degree turnabout this change would have extremely minimal effect in comparison to the natural forces I posted. You really believe a corporation will change anything unless there is money involved for them? Do you believe they will not just pass that taxation on to the consumer which gains you absolutely nothing in the your goal of behavior modification? If you can pass the buck on punishment down the line, what stops you from breaking the rules to begin with?
I said our role is all but inconsequential (in regards to GW/CC), and I will stand by that statement.
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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I am not confusing anything. Be honest, you and others believe in using taxation to force a behavior. Furthermore, even with a 180 degree turnabout this change would have extremely minimal effect in comparison to the natural forces I posted. You really believe a corporation will change anything unless there is money involved for them? Do you believe they will not just pass that taxation on to the consumer which gains you absolutely nothing in the your goal of behavior modification? If you can pass the buck on punishment down the line, what stops you from breaking the rules to begin with?
I said our role is all but inconsequential (in regards to GW/CC), and I will stand by that statement.
More like, to force an agenda $$$.
And my god how arrogant are these people to think they can control the environment?
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:27 PM
 
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I think you are on to something with the generational gap in regards to GW belief....only I look at it a bit differently; the older people have been around long enough to know BS when they see it, and the young are gullible enough to believe whatever BS is sold to them.
Our ability as a population to "alter climate" is infinitesimal in comparison to the Sun, volcanos, water vapor and a host of other forces. A tax will not change it, for better or worse.
I look at it differently.

Older people don't care because they'll be dead by the time it matters, everyone else has to deal with the consequences. Everytime someone says "it's for the children" is garbage because most people don't actually care since this is an issue that will actually effect their children.

Let me put it this way, I've had conversations with my brother about this and health insurance. His response is "it's his [children's] problem". As a note he has 2 kids. I can't fault him, at least he's honest.
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