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Old 02-13-2010, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Of course you have never seen any evidence that this would work with health insurance because we have never had it.
I have never seen any supporting evidence, it's always just "allow insurance to be sold across state lines".

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Move to state with lax consumer protection laws, set up insurance company, sell insurance across state lines.
Screw customers with no fear of repercussion and rake in the dough!
I think this is the real idea behind the "sell across state lines" mantra.

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How ignorant. You don't think people even in the right would want consumer protections? You think they do not care about their own health? It's because they care, they are not buying hussein obama's scam he is trying to shove down our throats while keeping the details hidden. It's only the left wingers that don't care enough about their health to question what he has to hide.
Well, apparently not. ah yes of course and Einstein's Ghost have done a pretty good job of explaining this partaicular scam. As for RWs wanting consumer protections, they are the ones who are always screaming about just wanting to buy the coverage they need, like they have a crystal ball about their future needs. They don't need mental health coverage, etc, why should the state mandate that their ins. pay for it. And so on.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I keep telling people that a market-based approach to healthcare is a race to the bottom but no one listens.
We could always add a 17.5% VAT tax (national sales tax) on top of the income tax we already have, as they have in the U.K. to help pay for universal health care. Keep in mind that that may not be enough. The U.K. may need to bump that up to 20% - the European average.
New tax bombshell: 20% VAT - Times Online

Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look - washingtonpost.com
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Hades
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Before all the liberal swallow hussein obama scam he continues to hide read up on how competition across state lines could drive down prices without government control.

This was already mentioned, as well as off topic, but you DO seem rather obsessed with his middle name.
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Old 02-13-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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We could always add a 17.5% VAT tax (national sales tax) on top of the income tax we already have, as they have in the U.K. to help pay for universal health care. Keep in mind that that may not be enough. The U.K. may need to bump that up to 20% - the European average.
New tax bombshell: 20% VAT - Times Online

Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look - washingtonpost.com
One of the Old School Reagan era cats also advocates using a VAT and/or other forms of broad based taxes to pay for social programs.

Thing is economists say the way to get out of a recession is for people to spend and if taxes go up people will be spending less and we'll prolong the recession or it'll get worse.

This is why I suspected the proposed HR bills wouldn't have kicked in for some years. The Dems hoped by the time they did kick in, the job situation would look better and then they could propose taxes to finance it.

Basically, despite health costs being our main economic time bomb, for now, jobs & Wall Street should be the gov. main focus.
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Old 02-13-2010, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Default Who are "our" people?

The thread title leaves a lot to be clarified.
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What do you want him to do? What would make you happy?
How about some of that transparency that Obama promised in his campaign speeches? That would make me very happy because then they would have to hold out some of that stuff that Obama says got "snuck in". There is no such word as snuck but I don't say this just to make fun of a man who talks about those corpsemen in the military.

As I recall Nasty Nancy promised more transparency in 2006 when the Dems won control of the House. When will she offer some of that very thing?
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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One of the Old School Reagan era cats also advocates using a VAT and/or other forms of broad based taxes to pay for social programs.

Thing is economists say the way to get out of a recession is for people to spend and if taxes go up people will be spending less and we'll prolong the recession or it'll get worse.
That's exactly why following the European model (abundant social programs, and now the sought after national health care and high tax rates on the nation's producers, plus the suggested VAT tax) was and is a bad idea.



Albert Edwards: At 500% Net Liabilities To GDP, It Is Too Late To Prevent The Collapse Of The G-7; Greece Is Irrelevant, We Are All Now Insolvent | zero hedge
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Big majorities;

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The thread title leaves a lot to be clarified.
How long should a paragraph be to be used as an acceptable thread title? Please tell me what it takes for one from the left to see that, sure enough 61% of the probably voters in the nation don't like that crap.
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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That's exactly why following the European model (abundant social programs, and now the sought after national health care and high tax rates on the nation's producers, plus the suggested VAT tax) was and is a bad idea.



Albert Edwards: At 500% Net Liabilities To GDP, It Is Too Late To Prevent The Collapse Of The G-7; Greece Is Irrelevant, We Are All Now Insolvent | zero hedge
That's why I posted that once the job situation improves, that would be the time to structure and implement taxes to pay for any social program.

The health cost issue is not going to go away.

And as I have posted previously, despite their anger and cries against gov. interference in their lives, the day the grassroot Tea Party members (by most accounts, older Americans) will bend over backwards for cuts or removal to THEIR gov. health & SS benefits is the day Hussein, Bristol & Sarah have their own intimate tea party with each other.
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