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Old 02-24-2010, 10:53 PM
 
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I'm so happy I'm a socialist. We either work together for common goals and accept our collective responsibilities to each other and the planet or we perish in a capitalist world of careless and excessive competition whose ultimate product is nuclear winter.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I wonder if we'll see movements in cities and states to get rid of public fire departments.
You know, all of the firemen I know are conservatives. They aren't federal employees. They aren't even state employees and some whole departments are volunteers.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I wonder if we'll see movements in cities and states to get rid of public fire departments.
FDs are locally funded. Not some scam to get us to send badrillions of dollars to some massive, centralized, inefficient, nanny-poo-poo federal government so that it can be redistributed in some clownish attept to redistribute the wealth and provide us $2 of service for every $20 of tax money we send.

Thanks, but no thanks. Local, grass roots...even state level...we'll take care of it ourselves.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm so happy I'm a socialist. We either work together for common goals and accept our collective responsibilities to each other and the planet or we perish in a capitalist world of careless and excessive competition whose ultimate product is nuclear winter.
Nope. Only the weak and unprepared would perish.

And yeah...all the firefighters, paramedics, and cops I know (and I know A LOT) are conservative.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I have found that most people are more than happy to come to that aid of others - willingly - just for the asking. This was recently shown by the events in Haiti - when people were asked for donations and boy did the American people react.

Again, ASK and we are glad to help. TELL US we "have" to help, or to put it another way - tell us we are being "FORCED" to help, well, therein is another problem - and it is the difference between Socialist and Conservatives. Socialist believe people should be forced - Conservatives believe in giving because - just because it is the right thing.

I prefer the later
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:51 PM
 
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I wonder if we'll see movements in cities and states to get rid of public fire departments.
I seriously doubt it because all causes are not created equal. There will be no public option and even if there were, there would be an insufficient number of doctors willing to treat the people with the public option.
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:06 AM
 
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I some some problems with arguments here. For one, a heavily populized area and a rural area are far different in fire needs. For one, currently your firedepartment is non-profit. Meaning hypothetically, you pay a dollar for a dollar worth of service. There is no mark up like in the private system. Secondly, if you live in a great house next to a house that cought on fire, and that house could potentially burn your house down, who will come to put that out? What if they did not pay their bill that month? Lastly, being a firefighter is a very hard job to get into. The amount of people trying to be firefighters, far exceeds the amount of openings. so i am very confident that we already have highly compitent firefighters through our local government. If firestaions were ran by the federal government, I would be very concerned. As it is, it's just an expense that must be paid. Suck it up.

To those of you that said you pyut in your own hydrant and sprinklers, I hope the best for you.
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:26 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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if done at a federal level yes

I would be perfectly happy with a county health care system...keep the feds out of it

What makes it OK on one government level and not another?

What makes you believe a county would be any better at it?

Ever hear of the economies of scale?
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What makes it OK on one government level and not another?

What makes you believe a county would be any better at it?

Ever hear of the economies of scale?
For one thing, one size does not fit all. Each locale has its own set of problems it needs to address and various unique populations.

Secondly, problems can be addressed much more quickly and those accountable would be much more easily reached.

This really does work well at a community level, as many sliding scale clinics I have seen/been involved with have demonstrated.
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:30 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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FDs are locally funded. Not some scam to get us to send badrillions of dollars to some massive, centralized, inefficient, nanny-poo-poo federal government so that it can be redistributed in some clownish attept to redistribute the wealth and provide us $2 of service for every $20 of tax money we send.

Thanks, but no thanks. Local, grass roots...even state level...we'll take care of it ourselves.


Are you so sure you're getting $2 worth of servive for your $2 on the local level?

Good luck with things like building an Interstate Highway system on the local level
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