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Considering that most of the Republicans who spoke yesterday were doctors, not lawyers, I'm not sure what your point is. Wouldnt doctors be in a much better position to educate "community organizers" as to the problem in the insurance industry?
The nation has not taken baby steps for 60 years. We are in the SAME spot we were 16 years ago when the Clintons were talking about doing something, and failed then. Had baby steps been taken, we wouldnt be where we are today. Did the racial problem in america get fixed with one big bill? No, it was fixed one bill, one opinion, one problem at a time..
And all of those people getting payoffs, that would be DEMOCRATS, who raised 10 times the amount of money from the insurance industry than Republicans during the last campaign.. TEN TIMES the amount..
I'll say it again the US has taken baby steps for 60 years. Nothing but patch work the whole way. In its wake insurance companies where able to rid the old, the sick, the poor, the American soldier and the American indians onto the tax payer. And at the same time jockey to states that kiss their asses and give sweetheart deals first to the fed and any State that will bend to their wishes. You can spin it anyway you'd like but those are the facts. I don't much care what a talking head has to say about anything pertaining to this issue, I watch what our government and our industries do instead. You know, action speaks louder than words. By the way I know plenty of doctors and I mean plenty and they do not by far like the insurance industry at all. I will agree with you the Dems collected plenty of cash from insurance lobbiest that is why the Dems bill will flood private for profit health insurance companies with plenty of money, more money than they've ever made.
How can you say this when many democrats have stated they will refuse to vote for a bill that does not include a single payer, government run public plan?
We have 0bama on video saying he wants a single payer, universal health care plan, we have others in the current democrat leadership stating that their goal, thru this health care process, is to arrive at a single payer, universal health care plan. So i have no clue where you are coming from.
There is no single payer in the bill. Cut to the chase, this bill is to add federal subsidies which will allow more people into the insurance pool. I'll repeat it---no single payer in the bill. Yes, many in congress wanted a single payer but with 44,000 lobbyist in Washington the fix was in including the president who, if I recall, received over $800,000.00.
A bill will get passed but not the single payer.
Agreed. The idea that Democrats should "start over" after a year of negotiations just because the minority party says they're unhappy - is ludicrous. What Republicans really want is to run the clock out until November and then pass NOTHING.
There are things in that bill, Republicans will never agree to. Too much government involvement and intrusion.
Our government was not set up to take care of the citizens. The citizens were free to take care of themselves, however they saw fit. Our government was set up to deal with foreign affairs, while individual states took care of the domestic issues as long as it is within the constitution.
Our government was not set up to take care of the citizens. The citizens were free to take care of themselves, however they saw fit. Our government was set up to deal with foreign affairs, while individual states took care of the domestic issues as long as it is within the constitution.
"arrogant, snippy, piece of work" - is that the new Republican euphemism for the N word?
What, you can't deal with the truth that Americans die every day because they either can't afford health care, or are denied by the "corporate death squads?" I didn't hear any ideas from Republicans other than stupid suggestions about health savings plans (that only work for the rich). But then the Republicans represent the rich and corporate interests in this country, so what would we expect?
Ahhh, the trusty old race card. I knew it would come out eventually...it always does.
You might want to take a look at the oodles of money obama and the democrats have been raking in from the "rich" and corporate interests. The sums are staggering.
Trying to work with Republicans and put in some of their ideas, plus republican stalling not only changed what could of been a good bill into a bill that does some good. If democrats didn't try to placate the republicans it would of been passed already.
The republicans were not able to STOP anything, in either of the bills. The democrats have a huge majority in the house, they have the WH, the had 60 votes in the senate for months and STILL were not able to pass a bill that could be signed into law.
It is members of his own party that are obstructing his radical agenda.
The fact that he talked for 119 minutes and all the Republicans totalled 110 minutes wouldn't have anything to do with that spanking, would it?
The GOP put it to him and he couldn't stand it.
They brought up everything the public hates about these bills and they did it in a coherent, brutal fashion, right to the point and no punches pulled.
He didn't want to hear any of that - that's why he was losing it a couple times. Tired of the 2700 page monstrosity sitting there for the nation to see.
I loved when the GOP brought up all his promises, brought the initial goals of his that he has totally abandoned.
Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale View Post
Health insurance reform was one of the top reasons why people voted for Obama. He would be a fool to allow Republicans to push him into doing nothing.
Let's review what candidate obama ran on;
No individual mandate.
Decrease in premiums. What was it? $2500 reduction?
Budget neutral.
No abortion funding.
No illegal funding.
Bend the cost curve down.
No cuts in Medicare.
No unfunded mandates to the states - Medicaid.
No taxing of health care benefits.
oh come on, you can't be surprised. This from the peanut gallery that said "democrats spell summit, s-e-t-u-p" ...
I betcha Frank Luntz had a big powwow with all kinds of clever little phrases for them to say, they just like the phrases, start over and blank page the best.
Personally since it was the president that called for the summit to listen to ideas ;one would thnik he would ahve listened, But he never really wanted to just say he had. Look at the breakdown on you talked the most. By far the president and other democrats.It was bascailly a joke that he wanted to listen to ideas really.
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