Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 04-22-2010, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
44,882 posts, read 33,274,487 times
Reputation: 4269

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
LOL! riiiiiiiight. That is what FDR and Keynes did... the reduced deficits.

LOLLOLOLOL!

and Chairman Mao really didnt kill all those people either!
I can't rep you so I will just have to say that many here really don't think Mao did what we accuse him of doing.

 
Old 04-22-2010, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
44,882 posts, read 33,274,487 times
Reputation: 4269
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioIstheBest View Post
Reagan started us on record deficits? LOLs.

The deficits have been going up since 1788. Don't blame Reagan. He just did what all the rest of them did. And Clinton, Bush and Obama have all run higher deficits than Reagan did.

Bill Clinton gave us a surplus? LOLs

1992 US debt was $4,411,488,833,139.38
2000 US debt was $5,674,178,209,886.62

He spent a trillion more than he made. He gave us no surplus. The debt went up every year under Clinton. Those are facts.

Keynes set up a system to reduce deficits. We got record deficits almost every year under his system. Keynes failed.

The middle class was built by middle class people and the industrial revolution. You know, capitalists.

Not by Keynes. Or FDR or anyone else besides the middle class.
THEY only count two years of the Clinton administration. I wonder if they know what happened the other 6 years.
 
Old 05-04-2010, 12:18 PM
 
6,084 posts, read 6,046,032 times
Reputation: 1916
Quote:
Originally Posted by roysoldboy View Post
I can't rep you so I will just have to say that many here really don't think Mao did what we accuse him of doing.
roy boy, despite the best attempts of your Faux News master, the growing acknowledgement that Keynes was right is steadily gaining momentum.

This article gives a shout out to Keynes.

"This dispensability is, in fact, the key political problem of free trade. If American workers are no longer needed as producers, then capital has no incentive to care about their productivity, the ultimate basis of their standard of living. And American workers are not needed as consumers either, if the rest of the world is an open market. Unfortunately, because capital is disproportionately powerful in America's political system, this means that free trade will tend to render our government indifferent to the economic interests of ordinary Americans.

Thus the greatest benefit of protectionism is not directly economic but political: protectionism is an device that forces capital to care about the economic fate of ordinary Americans. If capital must (mainly) turn a profit by selling goods made by Americans to Americans, then it must care about Americans' capacity to both produce and consume.

One corollary of returning to this older view of economics is that the idea that corporations ought to be motivated purely by the pursuit of profit (or that they perform best when they are) is not an obvious truth of capitalism. It is, in fact, not the way things worked for two generations (circa 1930-1980) in the U.S. It is based on a primitive and unempirical notion of human motivation and organizational behavior."
 
Old 05-04-2010, 04:37 PM
 
6,084 posts, read 6,046,032 times
Reputation: 1916
An economist gives a shout out to Keynes 2.0, Stiggie's theory is mentioned.
 
Old 05-04-2010, 05:32 PM
 
6,084 posts, read 6,046,032 times
Reputation: 1916
Economists, in the tradition of Keynes, support the Dodd bill, IF it contains the necessary amendments.

"It has been two years since the collapse of Bear Stearns. Congress held 79 hearings before this bill was introduced, and has held even more in the months that it has been negotiated and amended in committee. The status quo still leaves us vulnerable to another financial collapse. The bill is not perfect, but it can still be amended and the need for progress is urgent."
 
Old 05-04-2010, 05:39 PM
 
29,939 posts, read 39,468,904 times
Reputation: 4799
Quote:
Originally Posted by moionfire View Post
Actually, most economist today- even conservative ones(like Milton Friedman) believe it was the poor monetary policy- not massive defecits or FDR programs that prologned the depression. The money supply increased by at least 20% !!!
One of them is Obama's own Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers...

Well that and a strict adherence to the gold standard.
 
Old 05-04-2010, 05:45 PM
 
29,939 posts, read 39,468,904 times
Reputation: 4799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 View Post
keynes intended capital investment by feds to be temporary not ongoing.
we changed bek ronald reagan invented his own school of economics.
debt is meaningless. and the american church consumerism was created and the people said amen the mall is open.
Hardly. The idea that millions of people will look out for themselves while at the same time creating products new products that other people want is not Reagan's idea. he just saw how well in worked in the Far East where it's all too obvious that the people voted with their feet. What areas of the world have the most dense population over there? Singapore, Hong Kong... Milton Friedman pointed that long ago with the technological backwardness of India and the former Soviet Union.


YouTube - Milton Friedman - Socialism vs. Capitalism
 
Old 05-11-2010, 01:47 PM
 
6,084 posts, read 6,046,032 times
Reputation: 1916
A shout out to Keynes.

"We have learned from economic history -- and John Maynard Keynes -- that to put people back to work when the economy collapses requires that we create large amounts of government demand. "
 
Old 06-28-2010, 02:37 PM
 
6,084 posts, read 6,046,032 times
Reputation: 1916
Some thoughts on the state of our financial sector from those that have not forgotten about the proud tradition of Roosevelt and Keynes.

"What is heartening is to see how so many people and organizations — who had little knowledge of this arcane subject matter two years ago — have contributed the energy to learn and engage and push relentlessly for reforms against the monied odds. Notions such as consumer financial protection, the Lincoln attempts to separate OTC derivatives from the protective umbrella of the balance sheet of taxpayer protected banks, (and she did it in response to a primary challenge, please do not lose site of that fact), and efforts to remove risky activities from the guaranteed funding protections are a tribute to this energy.

It is also heartening to see people like Michael Greenberger, Elizabeth Warren, Damon Silvers, Dennis Kelleher, Matt Stoller, Jane Hamsher, the AFR team, Bob Kuttner and Senators Cantwell, Dorgan, Levin, Kaufman and Merkeley leading this formidable effort.

This is the first act of a many act play. Finance was too large in proportion to our economy. It is still too large, and our dysfunctional political system that aided and abetted the growth of the financial sector over the last 20 years cannot be expected to turn on a dime and enact profound and needed change. That agenda is still ahead. This first round was not the whole fight. It was the wake-up call and the beginning of the fight. Rest up and get ready. There is so much more to do."
 
Old 06-28-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Columbus
4,877 posts, read 4,508,466 times
Reputation: 1450
Quote:
Originally Posted by kovert View Post
Some thoughts on the state of our financial sector from those that have not forgotten about the proud tradition of Roosevelt and Keynes.

"What is heartening is to see how so many people and organizations — who had little knowledge of this arcane subject matter two years ago — have contributed the energy to learn and engage and push relentlessly for reforms against the monied odds. Notions such as consumer financial protection, the Lincoln attempts to separate OTC derivatives from the protective umbrella of the balance sheet of taxpayer protected banks, (and she did it in response to a primary challenge, please do not lose site of that fact), and efforts to remove risky activities from the guaranteed funding protections are a tribute to this energy.

It is also heartening to see people like Michael Greenberger, Elizabeth Warren, Damon Silvers, Dennis Kelleher, Matt Stoller, Jane Hamsher, the AFR team, Bob Kuttner and Senators Cantwell, Dorgan, Levin, Kaufman and Merkeley leading this formidable effort.

This is the first act of a many act play. Finance was too large in proportion to our economy. It is still too large, and our dysfunctional political system that aided and abetted the growth of the financial sector over the last 20 years cannot be expected to turn on a dime and enact profound and needed change. That agenda is still ahead. This first round was not the whole fight. It was the wake-up call and the beginning of the fight. Rest up and get ready. There is so much more to do."
What a bunch of gibberish.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:15 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top