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Old 03-17-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Some people do, if you know about them as in those who need help. And I am not adressing the person in this article as much as those in a situation that you never know about who really didn't have options.
So I should fork over more taxes to complete strangers because BO says they need my money more than me?
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Please explain the government's role in regulating business. I would be very happy to read anything you can give me. Personally - I am not sure you have any sources, in another thread I offered to send you books to support my case and you said you would 'use them for kindling in a fire' before you read them. Forgive me if I think you haven't done your research.

I have had my salary reduced as well. I am by no means wealthy, I stay hours after many of my co-workers without pay just so I can prove to my boss that I should keep my job during each round of layoffs. I live in the same economy as everyone else. I put in 80ish hours per week now, so I can pull my own weight and not rely on someone else. Answer this question, why can't this attitude work for other people? Please explain that to me.



Whether he could afford insurance or not is not an issue to anyone but him.

It is not a political issue.



"..in another thread I offered to send you books to support my case and you said you would 'use them for kindling in a fire' before you read them.."

We can't call people names on this board so I'll simply ask, "why would you tell such a lie"!!

Please cut and paste any segment of the imaginery exchange you claim took place between you and I.



Again, you can't grasp the concept of a reality other than your own!!

"..put in 80ish hours per week now, so I can pull my own weight and not rely on someone else.."

Put in that time when a chronic illness leaves you in constant pain, put in that time when you are a single parent and have homework with children, dinner to prepare, children's homework assignments, put in that time when you are caring for an aging or sick parent, put in that time when it takes public transportion two hours to get you 10 miles down the street, put in that time when you are looking for and going on interviewsfor the jobs that offer health insurance you suggest everyone should have!!

The bottom line is you just don't get it, do you!!!
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Why do we owe complete strangers prison beds, educations, fire protection, police protection, libraries, etc? Because, It Takes a Village!
It seems to me that once you hand out a prison bed you have promised all the rest of what you listed to the person.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Default Hillary and the village to raise a child

I think that once Hillary claimed that she thinks of herself as an early 20th Century progressive she told us what that term, takes a village, really means. I think she admitted that it means socialism is the answer to our problems. I also think that she meant that socialism has been the answer for her since her early college days.

Apply this kind of thinking to the present day arguments over healthcare and the use of single cases all the time as a reason for the village to take care of the single cases and you have Obama and all his supporters working so hard to get control of healthcare as a step toward control of everything we do. Socialism is the answer to nothing.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I think that once Hillary claimed that she thinks of herself as an early 20th Century progressive she told us what that term, takes a village, really means. I think she admitted that it means socialism is the answer to our problems. I also think that she meant that socialism has been the answer for her since her early college days.

Apply this kind of thinking to the present day arguments over healthcare and the use of single cases all the time as a reason for the village to take care of the single cases and you have Obama and all his supporters working so hard to get control of healthcare as a step toward control of everything we do. Socialism is the answer to nothing.
You THINK she meant that yet you have no evidence to show that 100% meant that.
This post is just speculation.

There is nothing wrong with democratic socialism. There is a problem when socialism is forced upon people. If the people of the U.S. want socialism, they should have it. If they don't want it, then so be it.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Yeah, it is kind of like buying auto insurance the day after you have the accident.

He should have had it before the accident.


Often times things like ACNE or DEPRESSION can be a pre-existing condition and you're pretty much black listed.

It seems these days just having a beating heart is a pre-existing condition to these bast*rd health insurance companies.

In the little quote you provided earlier about $80 something per month with a $2,500 deductible, trust me, it will go up once the health insurance company learns about your illness.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201003...1lZHBhdGllbnQ-

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If you want to understand why we need to reform our health insurance system, you need to know about Americans like Natoma Canfield. Natoma is a 50-year-old cancer survivor from Medina, Ohio, who wrote to President Obama last December. Like a growing number of Americans, she's self-employed and can't get health insurance through her job. But until this January, she always made sure to maintain a policy for herself on the individual market. It was the responsible thing to do.
Her insurance company didn't make it easy for her. Year after year, she'd pay higher premiums or have to switch to a plan with a higher deductible. Last year, they hiked her monthly bill by 25 percent, and Natoma ended up spending more than $6,000 in premiums. She also spent more than $4,000 out of her pocket for co-pays and other expenses. But because she never hit her deductible, her insurance company only spent $900 on her care. So she paid more than $10,000 for $900 in benefits.
At the end of last year, she finally hit her breaking point. She got another letter from her insurance company. This time, her premium was going up more than 40 percent. It was too much. She couldn't afford her insurance. So she gave up her coverage and, like a lot Americans, hoped for the best. In her letter to the president, she said she worried that she was now just one health emergency away from losing her family home, which her parents built in 1958.

Then her worst fear came true. Two weeks ago, while she was working, she collapsed. When she went to the hospital, they diagnosed her with leukemia. Now she’s facing more than a month of chemotherapy and has the added worry of how she's going to pay for it.

What's remarkable about Natoma’s story is how unremarkable it is. She was unlucky enough to get sick. But that was just chance. It could have happened to any of the tens of millions of Americans who don't have health insurance. Or to any of the tens of millions more who are underinsured. Some of them have caps on their benefits, which means their coverage can disappear in the middle of a hospital stay or a round of chemotherapy.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:21 AM
 
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Are you two not familiar with the bank failures of the depression? Did you two not study this in elementary school? Since hsnq doesn't like Wiki, which does give a good overview and has been rated by Newsweek as having no more errors than any other encyclopeida, I'll post an article from a different source. Are you unaware, crazyfacedjenkins that your deposits in a commercial bank ARE insured? The insurance was created b/c the banks were doing exactly as you said they wouldn't do. Good grief!

http://www.unc.edu/~salemi/Econ423/Depression_Era_Bank_Failures.pdf
Your interpretation of history is incredibly simplistic and you fail to look under the hood by just stating the symptoms of a fundamental problem. All this ties together with the moral hazard, whether created by the treasury or the Fed.

Historical context:
The Feds artificially lowered interest rates from 1925-1929 in an effort to extend credit to the bank of England which was stressed by the coal strikes. This cheap credit went world wide and caused the markets to miscalculate the available resources (very similar to the housing bubble). The banks were simply responding to the available credit. All it took were these limited resources drying up for the bubble to burst and you've got banking failures.

Insuring the banks only makes it worse because you still have the Fed behind the scenes creating false signals. Ultimately if you remove these moral hazards, the market place would demand higher security and more scrutiny would be placed on the bank's balance sheets.

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Old 03-17-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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"..in another thread I offered to send you books to support my case and you said you would 'use them for kindling in a fire' before you read them.."

We can't call people names on this board so I'll simply ask, "why would you tell such a lie"!!

Please cut and paste any segment of the imaginery exchange you claim took place between you and I.



Again, you can't grasp the concept of a reality other than your own!!

"..put in 80ish hours per week now, so I can pull my own weight and not rely on someone else.."

Put in that time when a chronic illness leaves you in constant pain, put in that time when you are a single parent and have homework with children, dinner to prepare, children's homework assignments, put in that time when you are caring for an aging or sick parent, put in that time when it takes public transportion two hours to get you 10 miles down the street, put in that time when you are looking for and going on interviewsfor the jobs that offer health insurance you suggest everyone should have!!

The bottom line is you just don't get it, do you!!!
Whatever you say slick.

Give me facts, not an emotional story. Please don't base political decisions on emotions, rather than facts.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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So I should fork over more taxes to complete strangers because BO says they need my money more than me?

Forget about BO a moment...

I am driving a road 50 miles from the nearest town, I see you have wrecked your car and are in need of help, there is no way you can make it to town alone despite your wanting to not ask for help from anybody.

Well you are a stranger, you aren't my relative, my friend....you are nobody as far as I'm concerned so I drive right by. Life is tough, good luck
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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Forget about BO a moment...

I am driving a road 50 miles from the nearest town, I see you have wrecked your car and are in need of help, there is no way you can make it to town alone despite your wanting to not ask for help from anybody.

Well you are a stranger, you aren't my relative, my friend....you are nobody as far as I'm concerned so I drive right by. Life is tough, good luck
But this isn't what we are saying. We aren't saying you shuldn't help that guy, we are saying it shouldn't be illegal to not help him.

I say by all means stop to help someone stranded, but please don't make it compulsary to stop!
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