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Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because GS is paying execs to much doesn't mean trash haulers deserve the same salary. I know in your socialist utopia everyone would earn the same wage but in the real world some skills are more valuable than others.
You do, huh? I guess in your utopia, you can go back to owning slaves.
The logic about companies wanting to give their rank and file high wages? If a company wishes to do so, then good for them! There is a difference between a company agreeing to pay high wages to any employee versus employees using coercion to obtain those wages. I really don't expect you to understand that because many of you unionized folks think of the employer as the enemy #1 anyways.
Yeah we get it. You think employers should just get to decide what they are going to pay and the employees should just take it or leave. You think it should be like that because alot of you sheep in the private sector got rid of your unions so that's the only option for you. Thankfully some of us were smarter than that.
Well, sometimes I wonder if people like 70Ford hate unions as much as Hitler did. If people with that ideology take over the political system, you will have to be happy with an abolished union, and $2.69/hour wages and no benefits. Unchecked free market is a wonderful thing (for those who stand to benefit from it).
There's quite a few people on this website who have no moral qualms about wanting to return to the days of early-19th century US or Dickensian England of horrific exploitation and worker abuse...
Where do you come up with the things you say? $2.69/hour? LMAO! You are aware thst there is a minimum wage law right? I'll give you some help, it's a lot more than $2.69/hour. Union jobs aren't the only jobs that pay well. The company I work for got rid of their union and we all make MORE and have the same benefits. The company has never made more money than they do now without a union. Our stocks are the highest they've ever been and they grew DURING this recession. Unions COST companies money and they keep the slugs around in high positions.
Alot of these folks would do away with the minimum wage altogether if they had their way...
Health care costs are sinking many businesses so it really isn't unreasonable to expect an employee to contribute. Most working folks do not have 100% employee contribution to medical. I don't know about the retiree issue but lifetime health care is costly. People need to be willing to contribute more towards their health care.
You don't see the big picture of unlimited amount of contributions WM is trying to get the members to vote on. They can come back a year later and say we need to take $3 dollars an hour for health insurance. The smaller two companies in the region gave their employees better contracts. Waste is doing this every where. They are taking insurance away from their employees little by little. Are they lowering rates to their customers, the answer is no. I sign a contract a year ago saying my employer can't take no more than .25 an hour to make up for shortfalls if they need it to cover Health and pension. Why WM can't do the same for their employees. They are Number 1.
Yeah. The great market works so efficiently. Everyone gets paid what they are worth in the open market. Just ask the CEOs of auto manufacturers and banks.
Or the former CEO of Countrywide mortgage company...
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Yeah we get it. You think employers should just get to decide what they are going to pay and the employees should just take it or leave. You think it should be like that because alot of you sheep in the private sector got rid of your unions so that's the only option for you. Thankfully some of us were smarter than that.
Oh yeah ... Especially the unemployed auto workers are probably glad that they stayed union. Sure as heck helped them out tremendously.
Chatteress another thing. It's the cost of living in Seattle as Kev stated. WM pays their Florida and Texas drivers half of the wages in Seattle. I guess you are ok with that. $13 a hour just like you prefer.
Who cares about the EU, their wages are much less than ours. They don't live the same lives we do here in America. I think you are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about. The EU has had a WAY HIGHER unemployment rate than the US for years. Who are you trying to kid? Yourself?European Union Unemployment rate - Economy
"has had" being the key words there. Nowadays the US unemployment rate is roughly the same as the EU now. And if we were using the "true" unemployment rate, we'd be much worse. And that was often the only thing that people could point as to why America's economic system was supposedly "superior" to Europe's LoL
No, the problem is that unskilled workers think they should get paid the wages of something that actually involves skill.
No, the problem lies with those that are greedy. Just because a worker doesn’t have a college degree doesn’t mean their contribution to society isn’t needed. Garbage men perform a vital role within our society and in return they should be rewarded with a livable wage.
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