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Old 04-29-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Do you own a car?
I'm sure he saw a traffic accident, and decided that that was enough for him to never buy, or ride as a passenger, in another car.

For the people who see this accident with the oil rig as reason enough to lobby to end any more off shore oil drilling, when was the last time an oil rig blew up and sank, much less the blowout preventer failing to operate? I think it was about 40 years ago - so long ago it was before many of you were born.

Where would our space program be if we let the accident with Apollo 1 and 13 and the Challenger disaster to prevent us from learning from our mistakes, developing new and better technologies, and moving forward?
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Do you still think off shore oil rigs are a great idea for your state? Do you really want to risk having your beaches marred by a never ending slick that WILL happen sooner or later- either by an accident or a hurricane knocking one of these platforms over.
Join with us in Georgia and North Carolina and let your Congressmen and Senators know that we do NOT want off shore drilling here. Let them know you oppose the Obama plan (which goes even further than Bush's old plan and will allow the platforms within 5 miles of the shore). Just say NO!
Remember the Alaska Valdez oil spill?

I can't believe we have a safe, internal source of immeasurable power right here, but the oil interests keep the technophobic masses terrified of something that could not happen. I'm talking nuclear power (fission, the proven one), by far the safest form of energy we have. It would not even be expensive, if government hadn't colluded with the oil interests to make it so.

We all have microwaves in our kitchens, we all go to the doctor and dentist and get irradiated at levels 1,000 times what anyone actually working at a nuclear plant gets, have our airplane pilots exposed to extreme amounts of solar radiation--and yet just mention "radiation" and the technophobes go insane. Time to let tecnology solve the problems within it's purview.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:45 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Do you still think off shore oil rigs are a great idea for your state? Do you really want to risk having your beaches marred by a never ending slick that WILL happen sooner or later- either by an accident or a hurricane knocking one of these platforms over.
Join with us in Georgia and North Carolina and let your Congressmen and Senators know that we do NOT want off shore drilling here. Let them know you oppose the Obama plan (which goes even further than Bush's old plan and will allow the platforms within 5 miles of the shore). Just say NO!
When was the last time anything like this happened to an offshore rig? I can't remember it ever happening, which makes this very suspicious.

We need oil. You leftists have been doing your best to ensure we remain dependent on foreign oil for the foreseeable future. You prevent drilling in Alaska, or anywhere else where significant reserves exist.

Experts in the field have said that the United States has more oil reserves than all of the Middle East combined. Yet people like yourself, prevent us from developing our own resources. Then you whine about our dependence on foreign sources.

We will never, repeat, never, not need oil. Practically every product we buy depends on petroleum, from plastics to cosmetics and more.

We simply cannot let an accident like this (if it was an accident, and that is an open question) cloud our thinking. The rest of the world will quickly pass us by (they will actually devour us) if we are not willing to use and control our own resources. That is a fact of life. Get over it.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Do you own a car?
Do you live in Florida?
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I have 2 cars and I would rather pay more for gas than have Tybee Island marred by an oil slick. The risk is not worth it.
There is virtually no evidence left of the spill in Alaska many years ago.

Over react much? Let's just go back to using candles for lighting, and wood stoves to heat our homes.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Or ride a bus, or use plastic bags, or shampoo, or have carpeting, use the roads, or paint your walls in your home, fly in cars, use a credit card, play golf, use detergent, sit on toilet seats, use lipstick, support artificial limbs, etc

You get the picture.. Many have no clue of the number of items oil is in.
I think most people realize what oil makes.

The point is, drilling more in the gulf, isn't going to increase supply by any real measurable amount.

Its like trying to stop a pin prick of water from coming out of the bucket, when there is no bottom on the bucket, doesn't make sense.

Please spare me the "keep our oil here" thing. Oil is a international market, and China will get as much, if not more of the oil from the Gulf than we do.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:51 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Are you willing to pay more for EVERYTHING you buy, or tell those with artificial limbs that they can go without, or will you go without brushing your teeth, ban parachutes, not use toilet seats, get rid of your telephones, never use insect repellant, and hair spray, etc?

The choice isnt if you are willing to pay more, its a drive or not drive.. are you willing to NOT DRIVE and walk everywhere?

Even worse, are you willing to have more of your money go to arab countries to support your daily life style?
Perfect. You are right on the money.

My guess is that leftists are not willing. And they probably have no clue what they are talking about when the advocate bans on drilling and exploration.

Tell them to go live in a cave. It suits them.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:54 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Since such accidents cannot be avoided completely, maybe it would be a good idea to develop methods to deal with such accidents before expanding off-shore drilling.
Such "accidents" have been avoided up till now; which makes this highly suspect. Was it an accident?

Some are raising the question. I think it is highly unlikely that this was an accident.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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if government hadn't colluded with the oil interests to make it so.
The government and the oil interest were responsible for Three Mile Island?
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Old 04-29-2010, 05:05 PM
 
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There is virtually no evidence left of the spill in Alaska many years ago.


"One of the more remarkable and unanticipated findings of recent research is the length of time over which animals were exposed to residual oil," said Esler. "Our research has shown that oil remaining in the area, particularly in inter-tidal areas, was encountered and ingested by some near-shore animals."

Wildlife still exposed to Exxon Valdez oil 20 years after disaster

"The amount of Exxon Valdez oil remaining substantially exceeds the sum total of all previous oil pollution on beaches in Prince William Sound, including oil spilled during the 1964 earthquake. This Exxon Valdez oil is decreasing at a rate of 0-4% per year, with only a 5% chance that the rate is as high as 4%. At this rate, the remaining oil will take decades and possibly centuries to disappear entirely."

Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council -
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