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Old 05-19-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Its one thing not to teach them everything right away. Its another thing to teach them flat out lies.
Then I suggest you homeschool and teach them the way you want.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Then I suggest you homeschool and teach them the way you want.
I don't have kids, but I happen to live in an area that is noted for having the best public schools in the country, so it really isn't an issue.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Back and Forth FRANCE
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it's a push to be more global and less nationalistic.

Global citizens, global economy, global labor force, global companies. The youth of today will be taught to be global citizens of tomorrow.
this...i personally don't see the issue.
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Old 05-20-2010, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Crossville, TN
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Today I have learned how irresponsible our public school systems can truly be.

I got a phone call from my little brothers high school teacher, she told me that he was not behaving in class and was cursing. And that she reported it to the principal.

I talked to my little brother, he denied the whole thing. Not believing him right away because who would've guessed that a teacher would be the one lying over a high school teenager? I called the principal, he confirmed that the teacher has received criticism from so many parents for over exaggerating the truth. Apparently she is being removed next year, and she wasn't supposed to be a teacher anyways. She came here from Spain two months before the school year started and barely knew any English, yet she was able to speak perfect English on the phone with me when she improperly accused my brother of doing things he did not.

I don't know where our country is heading but teachers have a large impact on what our youth "thinks" of today. I still remember most of my teachers, the way they taught me, still stays, the way I read maps, the way I write, the way I do most things when research is taken into consideration is a reflection of what I have been taught.

I hope we get our act together and focus on our educational system, we're lagging behind Asian countries for a reason. We have to act like we care, need to vote the people who make differences into school board offices, not the ones who just know how to talk and not back it up, the future of America's youth relies on it.

I know it's off topic, but something similar happened to my son. His high school guitar teacher accused him of breaking a guitar. The incident happened when he was absent due to surgery on his leg. Someone had stepped on the neck of the guitar and broke it in half then said my son did it. When I confronted the school I got the run around. I spoke to one of the principals, the counselor, but the teacher would not speak with me. They told me they would take the charge off. A couple of months later they wouldn't give my son his report card because the charge was still showing. I called up the school talked to the principal and got more run around. I had to be irrate and yell and curse at the principal. He hung up on me, but he took the charge off.
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Old 05-20-2010, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Crossville, TN
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From what I am reading then, those who agree with this kind of teaching would agree when children are taught about Clinton's presidency they should start with the Monica Lewinsky scandal and delve into it in detail, then tell the children what good he did.

Agree? Disagree? Children need to know the truth and the whole truth. Do not whitewash anything.

We don't have to say the she s****d his penis, but we can say the the republicans tried to have him impeached because he had an extramarital affair.
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Old 05-20-2010, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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I don't think teaching 10 year olds cynicism and bad poetry is ever appropriate.

I am sorry for the OP- it is right to be concerned- and if I were him/her I would certainly investigate this with the school.
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Old 05-20-2010, 06:28 AM
 
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My 5th grader came home from school with this poem given to her by her teacher. The poem is representative of what she is being taught about our country and its leaders:

How to be Thomas Jefferson
by Barry Lane

Write like an angel.
Live in your mind.
Have your heart broken many times.
Declare all men equal,
and never release your 200 slaves.
Buy lots of real estate from Frenchmen
without looking at it.
Live beyond your means
and owe lots of money.
Never finish the house
that years later will appear
on the back side of a nickel.

I will agree that the poem is a bit too cynical for the 5th grade level.

It is important to learn about the "warts" of our leaders.... so long as the practice is applied equally among the heroes of the left and the right.
Even famous civil rights leaders had sordid affairs... I wonder if MLK's paramours would make it into a primary school poem in the near future? Or Che Guevara's murderous rampages in Cuba?

5th grade may be too early for a lot of this stuff.
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Old 05-20-2010, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I disagree with Hollytree. In this society cynicism is a necessary defense mechanism against the rampant hypocrisy in corporations and government. Childern should be taught very early that what somebody says is good for them is probably good for the teacher not the child. For example: How do you know an advertisement is lying? It's on TV. Another example” “…with equal opportunity for All.”

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Old 05-20-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: California
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I disagree with Hollytree. In this society cynicism is a necessary defense mechanism against the rampant hypocrisy in corporations and government. Childern should be taught very early that what somebody says is good for them is probably good for the teacher not the child. For example: How do you know an advertisement is lying? It's on TV. Another example” “…with equal opportunity for All.”
Teach your kids this; QUESTION EVERYTHING. Then you won't have a problem.
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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I will agree that the poem is a bit too cynical for the 5th grade level.

It is important to learn about the "warts" of our leaders.... so long as the practice is applied equally among the heroes of the left and the right.
Even famous civil rights leaders had sordid affairs... I wonder if MLK's paramours would make it into a primary school poem in the near future? Or Che Guevara's murderous rampages in Cuba?

5th grade may be too early for a lot of this stuff.
Absolutely. I felt it was mockery and inappropriate but as you point out, it is also too "cynical" for 10 year olds. I think I am beginning to understand why the kids at this school seem more surely and somehow more neurotic than we have seen at our old school. I think this stuff is too much at a young age.

Thanks for a good post!
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