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Of course. If someone drops out of the race, then they are not in a primary anymore.
But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about two candidates on the ballot, one candidate 0bama is endorsing, and the other he attempts to bribe into dropping out, thereby giving his candidate an unopposed win in the primary election.
Reagan did not do this, the guy he illegibly offered a job to did not run in the 1982 primary, and he ended up dropping out of politics altogether.
Think this thru, you are essentially saying the law says it is illegal to buy the milk, but not illegal to steal the entire cow?
You are saying its illegal to bribe someone to support your preferred primary candidate, but not illegal to to bribe your candidates only opponent into dropping out of the race? Doing the later negates the need for the former. Can't you see that?
You said earlier it was the offer that was illegal. If it was the offer that was illegal, the offer would be illegal regardless if someone accepted the offer or not or whether or not they stayed in the race. Yet now you are arguing that it wasn't illegal because the offer wasn't accepted and he later dropped out anyway??
Offering a job to someone to drop out of a race is not illegal, nothing in the language of the law makes it illegal.
You know absolutely nothing about law. And that's not debatable...
This is the second time you've made a remark like this.
You are attacking the poster. When people in debates attack other debaters in an attempt to undermine their credibility, it generally means that their own argument is the weaker argument. Attack your opponent's credibility as a way to weaken their argument, and make your own argument appear stronger. Unfortunately, this strategy doesn't actually make your argument stronger. And it clearly tells your opponents that you are becoming desperate.
The fact that you've tried this twice in the same thread against separate posters makes your desperation all the more evident.
Your problem is that you have no proof that any law was broken. The law requires very specific language to be used in the proffering of a job in exchange for influencing the outcome of an election. And no one says that such language was ever used. It's not against the law to discuss with a candidate alternatives to continuing on in a political contest. It's not against the law to even be very specific regarding what those alternatives are. It's not against the law for the President to try to influence political contests. In fact, Presidents have been using their influence to affect political contests since John Adams was in office. John Adams even refused to let Thomas Jefferson have an office in the executive branch of government as a way to undermine Jefferson's influence. So Jefferson held forth in the Senate, battling Adams tooth and nail, and both President and Vice-President tried to use their influence in political races, only they used their influence against one another.
You could try to get a law passed that didn't allow Presidents to influence political races. You could try, but you would fail. No political party would willingly give up the potential political advantages that Presidents wield. It's long been considered a perk of office. Since Presidents are nominally the head of their political parties, this particular perk of office is a party perk. And the parties know it and would never support giving up that perk.
You said earlier it was the offer that was illegal. If it was the offer that was illegal, the offer would be illegal regardless if someone accepted the offer or not or whether or not they stayed in the race. Yet now you are arguing that it wasn't illegal because the offer wasn't accepted and he later dropped out anyway??
If you are talking about Sen. Hayakawa, we have him quoted as saying no one in the Reagan admin contacted him about a job offer, and yes he did drop out of the race.
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Originally Posted by Smash255
Offering a job to someone to drop out of a race is not illegal, nothing in the language of the law makes it illegal.
Yes we know, in your world the law makes it illegal to buy the milk, but not illegal to steal the entire cow.
If you are talking about Sen. Hayakawa, we have him quoted as saying no one in the Reagan admin contacted him about a job offer, and yes he did drop out of the race.
Yes we know, in your world the law makes it illegal to buy the milk, but not illegal to steal the entire cow.
As I have linked to, and other posters as well, which you continue to ignore Hayakawa was offered a job.
And no the analogy of skinning the cow is an asinine one, fat of the matter is nothing that was done here is illegal.
As I have linked to, and other posters as well, which you continue to ignore Hayakawa was offered a job.
Then check out this newspaper where he states no one from the Reagan administration contacted him, so where is your proof that he was offered a job to drop out?
And no the analogy of skinning the cow is an asinine one, fat of the matter is nothing that was done here is illegal.
I never said anything about skinning a cow.
How the hell can it be illegal to use bribes to influence people to oppose a candidate (buying the milk), but not illegal to bribe the same candidate to get out of the race (buying the entire cow)?
IF the White House did indeed offer Sestak a high-level federal job, and if President 0bama knew and approved of the offer, then this is an impeachable offense. Abuse of power is a crime at any level of government, and its all the more so at the highest level in our government.
Federal law makes it a crime for anyone “who directly or indirectly promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or any other benefit” to someone else “as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office.”
We need to stop politicians from using the power of their elected office to influence state and local elections. If you disagree, then we will just have to disagree.
Then check out this newspaper where he states no one from the Reagan administration contacted him, so where is your proof that he was offered a job to drop out?
How the hell can it be illegal to use bribes to influence people to oppose a candidate (buying the milk), but not illegal to bribe the same candidate to get out of the race (buying the entire cow)?
IF the White House did indeed offer Sestak a high-level federal job, and if President 0bama knew and approved of the offer, then this is an impeachable offense. Abuse of power is a crime at any level of government, and its all the more so at the highest level in our government.
Federal law makes it a crime for anyone “who directly or indirectly promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or any other benefit” to someone else “as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office.”
We need to stop politicians from using the power of their elected office to influence state and local elections. If you disagree, then we will just have to disagree.
That does not = running or not running for a race.....
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