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Old 08-27-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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.......Now, imagine if Euope decided it was okay for citizens to have those tools...the number of victims would grow exponentially........
Gosh, I hate to pop your balloon, but it is easy to get a gun in Europe. It is legal to have a gun in Europe as long as proper procedures are followed.

Terrorists are well stocked with guns. They use truck attacks and bombs both to maximize the death toll and to maximize the terror effect.

It's not like there haven't been terrorist attacks with guns in Europe, particularly in France. Remember Charlie Hebdo?
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Don't care. But, I also don't carry.
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Anytime I don't have a gun, I am aware that I have placed myself in danger. That shouldn't happen in this country as the Second Amendment gives us an absolute right to carry the weapons of our choice. Local, state, and federal laws which limit our right are unconstitutional—and, therefore, irrelevant.

My general rule is that if I can't go armed, I don't go.
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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Gosh, I hate to pop your balloon, but it is easy to get a gun in Europe. It is legal to have a gun in Europe as long as proper procedures are followed.

Terrorists are well stocked with guns. They use truck attacks and bombs both to maximize the death toll and to maximize the terror effect.

It's not like there haven't been terrorist attacks with guns in Europe, particularly in France. Remember Charlie Hebdo?

It's easy if you belong to the organized crime, which is only a small part of all criminals. The average Eupean criminal has no easy access to guns.
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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Bad guys will always and everywhere be bad guys. It's human nature.

In Europe, most bad guys dont have guns. Okay, a few of them do have them, but they are not common criminals, they are mafia types, involved in bank robberies or high profile crime.

If a bad guy in Europe, armed or unarmed, does what bad guys do, he'll know that with a 99.9 per cent probability his victim will have no gun. Therefore the violence of the interaction will be lower. (statistically speaking, of course). Do your bad guy business quick and leave. Nobody dies.

In the US, most bad guys have guns. When he commits a crime, he'll know his victim is very likely to have a gun, and very likely to use it against him. What sort of effect do you think this piece of data will have in the mind of the bad guy and the level of viciousness in his attack?
That's actually not true.

He doesn't KNOW his intended victim will have a gun. He hopes not because bad guys prey on the weak. They want an easy target that they will have to expend minimal effort on. The knowledge that their victim is armed will be enough of a deterrent for them to move on to a victim that is not armed because they don't want to risk it.. Remember, they want EASY.
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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That's actually not true.

He doesn't KNOW his intended victim will have a gun. He hopes not because bad guys prey on the weak. They want an easy target that they will have to expend minimal effort on. The knowledge that their victim is armed will be enough of a deterrent for them to move on to a victim that is not armed because they don't want to risk it.. Remember, they want EASY.

They want easy, I agree. And what's more easy than pulling a trigger? Do you think a guy who breaks in somebody's house is gonna take any risk?
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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Anytime I don't have a gun, I am aware that I have placed myself in danger. That shouldn't happen in this country as the Second Amendment gives us an absolute right to carry the weapons of our choice. Local, state, and federal laws which limit our right are unconstitutional—and, therefore, irrelevant.

My general rule is that if I can't go armed, I don't go.

Thanks, Happy, you are the only one who has been really honest so far.
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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They want easy, I agree. And what's more easy than pulling a trigger? Do you think a guy who breaks in somebody's house is gonna take any risk?
You're missing the point.

By "easy" I meant they also want drama free.. And no, he doesn't want any risk at all.. He wants to break in, steal the stuff, rape the women, and be gone. And like I said, they won't break into a house if they think the person inside is armed. Not if they can break into another house where someone isn't.. No risk, right?
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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You're missing the point.

By "easy" I meant they also want drama free.. And no, he doesn't want any risk at all.. He wants to break in, steal the stuff, rape the women, and be gone. And like I said, they won't break into a house if they think the person inside is armed. Not if they can break into another house where someone isn't.. No risk, right?


There's a gun in most US houses...how can they know which ones are gun free? Each time they break in house they take a gamble. A guy suffering drug withdrawal will break in the White House if he thinks he'll be able to score... drug addiction stops at nothing.
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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There's a gun in most US houses...
No there isn't.
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