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Yager writes, however, that about 45 percent of the cases Lisak reviewed did not proceed, because there was insufficient evidence, or the complainant withdrew from the process or couldn’t identify the perpetrator, or the allegation did not rise to the level of a sexual assault. In other words, no one could possibly determine whether these claims were true or false.
“Policy is being driven,” Yager wrote in his analysis, by the idea “that false allegations are exceedingly rare.” But we simply don’t know how rare they are. What’s more, no legal or moral system purporting to be just can make presumptions about individual cases based on statistics."
It sheds light on sexual assault in ways that most here wouldn't be happy with, those who are less interested in justice than being morally outraged.
But in cases of insufficient evidence or withdrawal from the process, we can't (and shouldn't) assume that those complainants were liars and were making up stories to get someone in trouble. A false accusation of sexual assault is despicable, but again, most women are not going to drag themselves through the mud to get revenge or money.
Be serious. It's hard to prove forcible rape from an intruder. Women are not going around reporting boyfriends for rape willy-nilly and prosecuting them.
But in cases of insufficient evidence or withdrawal from the process, we can't (and shouldn't) assume that those complainants were liars and were making up stories to get someone in trouble.
Correct. We should also not assume that the accused are all guilty either. Insufficient evidence has often been because no rape actually took place.
We really should be focused on there being less victims, not more. And there are people in this discussion who would be happy with more.
And there you went from responsibility to accountability. And at no point did anyone suggest a victim is either responsible OR accountable for a rapist's actions. Ever.
And you graduated to "culpable".
You are being dishonest. Blatantly so.
The only ones using blaming language like "asking for it" and "culpable" and "stupid" are those who purport to be defending victims. It's stumbling.
No. You need to go back and read the dictionary definition I posted.
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But in cases of insufficient evidence or withdrawal from the process, we can't (and shouldn't) assume that those complainants were liars and were making up stories to get someone in trouble. A false accusation of sexual assault is despicable, but again, most women are not going to drag themselves through the mud to get revenge or money.
Seriously, who wants to retraumtized, again and again, during court proceedings, have a perpetrator glaring you down (or laughing at you (as happened locally in a reason high profile rape case) during a trial, have the public slandering you for pressing charges, etc.
No. You need to go back and read the dictionary definition I posted.
No, hun, it is you who doesn't know the difference between asking for it and being proactive in your own safety. No one here has held any victims responsible, accountable or culpable for a rapist's actions. Victims pay a price for not being more careful, yes. Often. But not for rape. We convict and jail rapists, not victims.
And look at all this victim blaming over at RAINN, which is a non profit for victims of sexual assault, which means they serve people who have already been assaulted. Should they take that info down? Surely, victims don't need to hear it again. They know all of this already. Yet, it's there.
Your Role in Preventing Sexual Assault - Whether it’s giving someone a safe ride home from a party or diverting a person who is engaging in uncomfortable behavior, anyone can help prevent sexual violence.
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Please read what you quoted. People who want there to be rape where there may be none. People who insist that victims are being accused of being "stupid" and "asking for it" when they're not. They step right on in once the rapist is done and create more victimization. More pain. More trauma.
Please read what you quoted. People who want there to be rape where there may be none. People who insist that victims are being accused of being "stupid" and "asking for it" when they're not. They step right on in once the rapist is done and create more victimization. More pain. More trauma.
I've kept up with this thread pretty much.
There have been plenty who think it's a woman's fault.
There have been plenty who have tried to tell everyone that it's COMPLETELY the rapist's fault, when a rape occurs.
Yet, I haven't seen ANYONE who said or even implied they wanted to see more rapes. You're obfuscating the issue when you imply that anyone here wants to see more rapes.
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