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So, you would prefer that people not have the use of land they own because the state legislature is too corrupt and people demand taxes be too low to build massive roads prior to things being developed?
Almost all city streets are city maintained. DOT maintains highways and and other state designated roads, (Glenwood Avenue, for example) but inside city limits an overwhelming majority of streets are city maintained.
Most, if not all, main roads are owned by NCDOT (even ones that aren't signed as a state road). The sidestreets in subdivisions are maintained by the town, but that's not really the issue here.
Just looked at the map. How in the world did Cary end up with assets south of future 540? That is crazy. I mean south of the bit of the Orange route over by Optimist Farm Rd.
Yep. That is why I have mentioned in other threads that one can walk to the Cary line from a neighborhood in FV. Towns in the area have very strange boundaries, which many people do not realize when just looking at a dot on a map saying this is the center of town. Some realtors have even provided bad information to people, as they are not familiar with all the nuances of how the boundaries are actually laid out in some areas that were formally not part of the town.
Most, if not all, main roads are owned by NCDOT (even ones that aren't signed as a state road). The sidestreets in subdivisions are maintained by the town, but that's not really the issue here.
Thats fine. The statement was made in an earlier thread that there are "very few municipally maintained" roads. Thats not true. An overwhelming majority of the street mileage in Cary (and other cities) is maintained by the city. I even stipulated that NCDOT maintains the major roads.
Yes but wasn't there recently a thread about opposition to a new commercial project that would have been competition to Cary Park Town Center. Those opposing it lived in West Cary near Cary Park if I remember correctly.
Reading an update from the Arlington neighborhood on Nextdoor today it seems they now believe Publix will get the go ahead and are organizing a meeting to determine how best to negotiate with the developers which seems a sensible way forward.
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Using Amberly as a West Cary point, Google maps shows Parkside Commons at 6 minutes away. Even Beaver Creek in Apex is only 14 minutes. Davis Drive retail is 12 minutes.
20 minutes will practically get you to Chapel Hill.
Have you tried driving along Green Level Road between Morrisville Parkway and Beaver Creek recently? With all the developments taking place and construction traffic for the new High School as well as several new sub divisions close by, you can encounter 1 or 2 Stop/Go hold ups and the journey often takes 20 minutes. That journey will get worst as traffic increases and NO sign of any road widening on a rural road built years ago for a fraction of the current traffic level. It is exactly the kind of example of lack of infrastructure planning in West Cary that lead me to start this thread.
The lack of commercial development in West Cary means the thousands of residents go to Southpoint in Durham or Beaver Creek in Apex for restaurants and retail. That means millions of Sales Tax dollars are lost to the Town of Cary. In 2015 ToC raised $79.8m in Property Tax and $28.2m in Sales Tax. Imagine how much higher the Sales Tax would be in West Cary residents were spending in the Town?
The delays in 'enabling' commercial/ retail facilities in the fastest growing area of the Town is resulting in untold millions of Sales Tax dollars going to neighboring cities with the absence of nearby facilities. The whole point of this thread was to highlight the existing deficiencies in West Cary and the need for coordinated action to resolve in an environmentally friendly way that will make West Cary a premier location to live.
Reading an update from the Arlington neighborhood on Nextdoor today it seems they now believe Publix will get the go ahead and are organizing a meeting to determine how best to negotiate with the developers which seems a sensible way forward.
Have you tried driving along Green Level Road between Morrisville Parkway and Beaver Creek recently? With all the developments taking place and construction traffic for the new High School as well as several new sub divisions close by, you can encounter 1 or 2 Stop/Go hold ups and the journey often takes 20 minutes. That journey will get worst as traffic increases and NO sign of any road widening on a rural road built years ago for a fraction of the current traffic level. It is exactly the kind of example of lack of infrastructure planning in West Cary that lead me to start this thread.
The lack of commercial development in West Cary means the thousands of residents go to Southpoint in Durham or Beaver Creek in Apex for restaurants and retail. That means millions of Sales Tax dollars are lost to the Town of Cary. In 2015 ToC raised $79.8m in Property Tax and $28.2m in Sales Tax. Imagine how much higher the Sales Tax would be in West Cary residents were spending in the Town?
The delays in 'enabling' commercial/ retail facilities in the fastest growing area of the Town is resulting in untold millions of Sales Tax dollars going to neighboring cities with the absence of nearby facilities. The whole point of this thread was to highlight the existing deficiencies in West Cary and the need for coordinated action to resolve in an environmentally friendly way that will make West Cary a premier location to live.
What about 540? Yes it's a toll, but at least you have the option.
Buy some land, spend the two to three years getting approvals and loans lined up, then spend time getting leases lined up all the while fronting hundreds of thousands for designs and do it yourself!
how would breaking away from the town help with any of that?
The thread title is 'tongue in cheek' to highlight the frustration at the slow pace of getting basic infrastructure like sidewalks, street alignment, traffic signals etc in the West Cary completed. Yes, ToC is attempting to save money by getting developers to pay for these items, hence the piecemeal changes in number of lanes as you drive along Green Level Church Road, but it equally delays progress for years in getting any sense of completion with main roads like Green Level Church, Carpenter Firestation, Okelly Chapel, etc.
The thread started by pjb3589 4 years ago is just as relevant today Green Level Church Rd & O'Kelly Chapel Rd Intersection and many of the proposed improvements listed (and mapped in a link) by orulz in 2013 are still work in progress or not even started. Town of Cary need to take responsibility and up their game to improve the quality of life for 40,000 residents is the complaint that motivated this thread.
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Fantastic, thanks for sleuthing this out.
Any word on whether there will be a signal here from day one? Hopefully so, the traffic nightmare might only get even worse if it's just a stop sign.
All in all it's been rather fascinating to watch the street grid in NW Cary get built out by a combination of piecing together old rural farm-to-market roads and new construction. A few more planned connections to watch for in the area:
Scott King Road - Hopson Road
Wake Road - Kit Creek Road
Grandale Drive - Yates Store Road
O'Kelly Chapel Road - Little Drive (already under construction)
Morrisville Parkway extension/connection (developers are already building everything except the interchange itself)
Morrisville Carpenter Road - Carpenter Fire Station Road (funded by 2012 bond issue)
Louis Stephens Drive extension/connection
McCrimmon Parkway extension/connection
Another connection that I think would make sense, although it's not in any plans right now:
The northern end of Green Level Church Road (Alston Avenue) to TW Alexander via a bridge over NC 55
See a map/drawing here of all these connections (the one I made up is in blue, the others are in red)
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