An excellent question to ask groups of stoned people: (soul, reincarnation, quote)
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If you created two clones of yourself, and fed them chemicals which resulted in temporarily speeded aging, till they reached your physiological age and only then began to age normally, and you doctored their bodies till they recieved the exact same stresses your body has had, and the exact same appearance, and copied your memories and thoughts into their brains, and you died the next day, and you kept one clone in reserve in a kind of unconscious hibernation state, but the other was awakened at the moment of your demise, would that newly awakened clone be you? If the second clone were awakened a few hours after the first, would they both be you, or would neither of them be you, or only one be you? What if you survived, and both of the others were awakened? Which one, or more, is you?
Transhumanism might be described as a kind of religion, so there. It's on topic.
you're not even composed of the same molecules you started out with... isn't that beautiful (this one is on topic because it has to do with one of a fallacious argument for the existence of the soul/spirit).
But to your question, I wouldn't even be the person that died because it would happen sometime in the future after I created some clones. Time kills all things, all the time, at every time. Bang!
I've died a thousand deaths because I've slept a thousand times.
The 5 year old version of myself is forever dead and gone, where is the justice in that God?
If God splits/triples my soul into three would I be a trinity?
you're not even composed of the same molecules you started out with... isn't that beautiful (this one is on topic because it has to do with one of a fallacious argument for the existence of the soul/spirit).
But to your question, I wouldn't even be the person that died because it would happen sometime in the future after I created some clones. Time kills all things, all the time, at every time. Bang!
I've died a thousand deaths because I've slept a thousand times.
The 5 year old version of myself is forever dead and gone, where is the justice in that God?
If God splits/triples my soul into three would I be a trinity?
I could go on forever.
I guess, none of them is you, should have been an option as well.
I think what makes me me is my personality, and my stream of consciousness/memories. So, if my personality and stream of consciousness continued on after the death of my body, I'd say that "I" still exist in both of those clones.
Incidentally, should I ever develop advanced Alzheimer's disease, such that my stream of consciousness/memories are gone, I'd say that "I" have ceased to exist, as that person is not me anymore.
On personal identity i would say that im my stream of consciouness and my stream of molecules. like a river. so the clones wouldnt be me on the outside just similar matter and organizations, but different streams
Time is the substance from which I am made. Time is a river which carries me along, but I am the river; it is a tiger that devours me, but I am the tiger; it is a fire that consumes me, but I am the fire. ~ J. L. Borges
We asked ourselves a very similar question back in the day...whoa, wait...did we? It was either that or whether or not it was possible to drive a Volkswagen Baja on the moon and, if you could, would it make any noise? I can't remember.
Now, to the question asked:
I don't think any would be "you" as the chemical processes that formed "you" would be unique to the original and all clones. I don't think you would wake up and think, "Whew, glad I'm not dead anymore." Each clone would be its own entity. If there was an actual transfer of individual consciousness, in a sense it would be a form of reincarnation. If that was true though, then why do we not remember the events that went along with any past lives if there was any actual transmutation of soul or consciousness? It would seem to me that would be the same case in the scenario presented.
I am fairly sure that if this was 1982, I could have answered this question much better and would have had numerous thoughts on the matter.
Last edited by Fullback32; 07-16-2012 at 12:09 PM..
If you created two clones of yourself, and fed them chemicals which resulted in temporarily speeded aging, till they reached your physiological age and only then began to age normally, and you doctored their bodies till they recieved the exact same stresses your body has had, and the exact same appearance, and copied your memories and thoughts into their brains, and you died the next day, and you kept one clone in reserve in a kind of unconscious hibernation state, but the other was awakened at the moment of your demise, would that newly awakened clone be you? If the second clone were awakened a few hours after the first, would they both be you, or would neither of them be you, or only one be you? What if you survived, and both of the others were awakened? Which one, or more, is you?
Transhumanism might be described as a kind of religion, so there. It's on topic.
Clones do not share the same consciousness. We gotta go virtual. The body wears out but if we had some type of mainframe we should still be able to communicate with the conscious factor, indefinitely.
I think what makes me me is my personality, and my stream of consciousness/memories. So, if my personality and stream of consciousness continued on after the death of my body, I'd say that "I" still exist in both of those clones.
Incidentally, should I ever develop advanced Alzheimer's disease, such that my stream of consciousness/memories are gone, I'd say that "I" have ceased to exist, as that person is not me anymore.
Obviously, if we could reverse the dz. process you're full consciousness would be right there waiting, wanting to get through.
The body wears out consciousness does not. The body is no more or less than a sensor.
The body wears out consciousness does not. The body is no more or less than a sensor.
Prove it.
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