Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
That immoral heterosexual lifestyle you describe is definitely condemned and held in utter contempt by true Christians who respect what the Bible says about it.
No they aren't. 90% of heterosexuals fornicate... A LOT. 50% of all Christian marriages end in divorce. 70% of all heterosexuals commit adultery. The United States, one of the most Christian nations in the world, is also the most obese and lazy in the world. We also have the highest crime rates on the planet.
There is no such thing as a "true Christian" based on your criteria, and none of the above issues come even remotely close to your hatred of gays. I don't see you conservatives trying to ban fast food, or divorce, or adultery, or fornication, or remarriage, etc.
You don't try to pass laws to stop any of those other sins. Abortion and Gays are all you people give a crap about.
No they aren't. 90% of heterosexuals fornicate... A LOT.
I believe this is true.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero
50% of all Christian marriages end in divorce.
I would need more information here. Are we just meaning the US? Because I'm pretty certain 50% of Christian marriages in Poland, Greece, or even the Netherlands do not end in divorce. Let alone in poorer countries. And what generation are we meaning? Christians who married before 1970 do not have that high of a divorce rate last I checked.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero
70% of all heterosexuals commit adultery.
Yeah you're going to have to cite something for this because I've never heard anything that indicates the rate is that high. Even Kinsey's studies seem to place it as more like 38% overall and 50% for men.
Unless you're meaning all remarriage after a divorce is adultery per the Gospels. As a Catholic I could definitely see that, but it might be slightly unreasonable to expect all people to accept Catholic understanding of adultery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero
The United States, one of the most Christian nations in the world, is also the most obese and lazy in the world. We also have the highest crime rates on the planet.
None of this is actually true. America is the most obese nation in the OECD, but that's just a group of 33 countries. The most obese nation overall is either Nauru or one of the other Polynesian nations. Americans work more than just about any other people. And several of the more advanced nations of the Caribbean have both higher murder and higher robbery rates than us as does the Baltics. That includes Estonia, which has one of the most atheistic populations in the world.
There is no such thing as a "true Christian" based on your criteria, and none of the above issues come even remotely close to your hatred of gays. I don't see you conservatives trying to ban fast food, or divorce, or adultery, or fornication, or remarriage, etc.
If he wishes to ban homosexual relationships or overturn Lawrence v Texas I agree that's wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero
You don't try to pass laws to stop any of those other sins. Abortion and Gays are all you people give a crap about.
The job of a conservative isn't to ban all sin. Humans have free-will so forcing them by law to avoid all sin would possibly make virtue artificial or unreal.
Conservatism, real conservatism, is about things like prudence and tradition. Making marriage gender-neutral is a pretty big change in society. Traditionally I favored it being one that should occur by voting to assure it happens gradually and any problems in the notion can be dealt with through testing on a state level. I admit the reaction/debate to voting, from Prop 8, made me think it may be a bad idea in general. That it's kind of just become the creation of "inalienable rights" based on no precedent at all and a weapon to attack religious minorities like Mormons. (The Maine vote, pro and con sides, were more sensible and may ultimately veer me back to my original position)
The element of "preserving life" is not necessarily conservative in the US, as the notion that some lives are of limited value is well-enshrined in American culture, but is significant to me. However it's not just "abortion the end." I'm also against euthanasia as are many conservatives. Although I'm not opposed to the death penalty I lean toward it being used only in extreme cases. (Serial-killers, mass-murderers, people who order "hits" from behind bars, and things of that nature) I admit that one is unlike conservatives.
Can I suggest using bold instead of all caps? All caps is akin to yelling and hard on the eyes, not to mention impossible for speech output users to understand.
The ones using those caps are the ones who post the scriptures in that particular way. I just happen to copy and paste the scriptures as I find them typed. It bothers me as well. So from now on if scriptures are posted with words standing out in caps I won't use them. It will of course take more time but it's worth it. Thanx for pointing that out.
Definition of a true Christian....The kind practiced by the person claiming that others are not...Synonyms: arrogance, prejudice, snobbery.
Since there are as many ways of defining Christianity as there are Christians, a "true Christian" does not exist.
WRONG
A true Christian:--- somone who beleives in Jesus Christ as their savior and puts forth a sincere effort to live by the teachings of Christianity. I say effort because nobody can be totaly perect. As long as the above requiments are met, than that person is a true Christian.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero
My point was merely do you think it's fair to judge an entire group based on a stereotype?
To answer your question, no. How can a person worship a religion that despises gay people?
do you think this assesment is fair? I assume by "religion" the OP is talking about Christianiy. Is it fair to assume that all Christians HATE gay people just because there are some who do? Granted, there are probly quite a few more who do than dont, but to assume ALL do is also absurd. The Bible teaches us that even though their lifestyle may be wrong, these people are of Gods children as well. Thus, any Christian who hates people because they are gay or for any other reason is not a true Christian.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero
No they aren't. 90% of heterosexuals fornicate... A LOT. 50% of all Christian marriages end in divorce. 70% of all heterosexuals commit adultery. The United States, one of the most Christian nations in the world, is also the most obese and lazy in the world. We also have the highest crime rates on the planet.
There is no such thing as a "true Christian" based on your criteria, and none of the above issues come even remotely close to your hatred of gays. I don't see you conservatives trying to ban fast food, or divorce, or adultery, or fornication, or remarriage, etc.
You don't try to pass laws to stop any of those other sins. Abortion and Gays are all you people give a crap about.
I dont doubt your statistics, but this plays into a debate you and I had on another thread. Out of these 50%, how many of them were sincere enough about there christian beliefs to have allowed them to play a role in their lives and their decision making? Probubly not many. Remember, it takes no effort to "claim" to be a Christian, the hrd part is actually being one
The ones using those caps are the ones who post the scriptures in that particular way. I just happen to copy and paste the scriptures as I find them typed. It bothers me as well. So from now on if scriptures are posted with words standing out in caps I won't use them. It will of course take more time but it's worth it. Thanx for pointing that out.
Here are a few sites where you can get Bible verses without caps:
To answer your question, no. How can a person worship a religion that despises gay people?
do you think this assesment is fair? I assume by "religion" the OP is talking about Christianiy. Is it fair to assume that all Christians HATE gay people just because there are some who do? Granted, there are probly quite a few more who do than dont, but to assume ALL do is also absurd. The Bible teaches us that even though their lifestyle may be wrong, these people are of Gods children as well. Thus, any Christian who hates people because they are gay or for any other reason is not a true Christian.
Do all Christians hate gay people? No. But in general, the more conservative one gets, the more likely they are to strongly criticize and demonize gays to the point of physically, emotionally, and/or financially hurting them.
And once again, can you please stop calling it a "lifestyle". That is a right wing propaganda buzz word used to demonize gays. There is no "gay lifestyle" exclusive to everyone, and the Bible most certainly doesn't talk about one unless you consider pagan prostitution and sacrifices to the god Molech as a "lifestyle".
Quote:
I dont doubt your statistics, but this plays into a debate you and I had on another thread. Out of these 50%, how many of them were sincere enough about there christian beliefs to have allowed them to play a role in their lives and their decision making? Probubly not many. Remember, it takes no effort to "claim" to be a Christian, the hrd part is actually being one
I agree, but since we don't know the minds of those making the claim, we have to take their word for it. Roughly 75% of the US claims to be Christian. What percent is true Christian? 5? 10? 25? How can we know? Especially since there are over 30,000 denominations in the world, so what one Christian considers to a "true Christian" is entirely different what another believes it to be.
how many of them were sincere enough about there christian beliefs to have allowed them to play a role in their lives and their decision making? Probubly not many. Remember, it takes no effort to "claim" to be a Christian
Why does Obama and his order to not enforce the Defense of Marriage Act come to mind?
Before my vintage 1995 Compaq Presario bought the farm Bible Gateway was the primary place where I got my scriptures. But all that organization was lost with the computer breakdown and I am still in the process of acquiring the same useful links I once had. Thanx for the help!
Definition of a true Christian....The kind practiced by the person claiming that others are not...Synonyms: arrogance, prejudice, snobbery.
Since there are as many ways of defining Christianity as there are Christians, a "true Christian" does not exist.
Well I am not those things. I am a Christian.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
