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Originally Posted by abf5000
Well, the militant ones at least anyway.What really irritates me about these atheists is how easily they are led by so called science.
How much faith do you have to have to believe in spontaneous generation and that uni-cellular organisms have always existed?
Think about it, how cynical are you to look at the perfection of this environment and say it all started as a pool of super heated ooze or primordial soup completely unguided via naturalistic means. Then they take all these unproven theories like Abiogenesis and Spontaneous Generation and treat them as if they're fact.
The real problem with these people is that the vast majority have never taken the time to read the bible , let alone get a Strong's concordance and go bac
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And if we
have read the bible, and found it grossly unbelievable in regards to it's utter improbability, especially in light of what we've now found out to be
factual about biology, bio-chemistry, astro-. nuclear- and/or quantum-physics, and modern geology and stratification sciences? How about the various and always-improving dating techniques? You just dismiss them? all in error? Sure. Very likely.
(smirk...)
Q: could you, in any sort of technical detail, possibly educate us on several of the newer dating & aging techniques, also providing a summary of the reasonable and conservative
limitations to each of them, as all honest scientists always do in their determinations?
So then what? The problem comes when
you types [ I simply respond to your demeaningly descriptive comment above:
"these people"] can't stomach or face those reproducible and oft-tested facts and obvious conclusions. The probability of some hyper-ultra-powerful presence, one capable, as my once-upon-a-time BF asserted,of controlling
each and
every sub-atomic particle
(and whatever is even smaller than that) in the entire Universe, simultaneously, and originally just "Poofing" it all into organized being one week, is a bit far-fetched as well. Dont'cha think, old soul?
Not to mention that, despite the biblical claims, it's hardly finished
"creatin' " yet, is it? God did apparently sit back and declare it to be finished, as the bible states. If so, He's not very good at it! All sorts of events, formative and destructive, are still happening all around us. Visible and not visible, but unfinished to be sure! Super-novas of old stars, with new ones forming up out of primordial gases and gravity. Just like our own solar system. The Unified Field Theory. The Earth itself, always changing and tectonically shifting.... Our sun, on it's way out some day....
Next: you ask
"how cynical are you"... Just where does cynicism come into the argument about abiogenesis? Your argument that it is too improbable
(to you anyhow...) is weak, superficial and unresolved. The beauty and organization of the world around us is but a human perception, but also, it's clearly the
simple and
logical result of relentless material evolution,
(not Evolution spelled with a capital "E", just an ongoing process...) by simple trial and error of all those billions of occuring test mutations and options. You know; the ones we can now easily see and measure, that we
know are happening. As in:
undeniable.
Many of those mutations
have failed
en-route to what we now see literally hundreds of millions of years into this Earthly experiment, but this is like a painting that can be worked on again and again. And why would it do that, you ask? Because good ideas that work
are passed on via the DNA system is why. and the bad ones, obviously, fail. It's so frickin' logical, I'm amazed at your stubborn reticence, but then again, I also understand the terror of the truth that so often characterizes the typical denialist theist's position.
It represents your particular determined scientific illiteracy and lack of interest in correcting that illiteracy, doesn't it? As in, why aren't you honestly trying to understand the other rational point of view by at least reading a basic science text, or taking an intro biology course? After all, I took the time to question the bible and theology. Took me about 10 years of soul-searching and questioning, but eventually the truth emerged, and it's been enlightening ever since!
I'd suggest to you why you have likely
not investigated these ideas, but it would probably be quite insulting. I will say, honestly, you
should do yourself a real personal favor and don't just let the folks over at AiG or the Creation Institute do your thinking and speaking for you. Try questioning
them some time, because all that they spout is just so much illiterate and error-filled tripe, provably and demonstrably.
As for me and every single one of my scientist/engineer/philosopher atheist friends, we
all came from a devout religious background. And you? By honest comparison, did you come from a strong scientific background? Do you truly understand what it is you so ardently criticize? Beyond claiming we're just cynical and carrying a false faith? How insulting.
Do try to be, as FOX says, "Fair and Balanced:", OK? For a change?
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Originally Posted by abf5000
Like I said, I don't hate or dislike them, but the militant ones like the New Atheists act just like the religious fanatics they dislike. Also, why do they gather in groups and at meetings? So, you guys get together because of your shared lack of belief? Is that really a good reason to gather? You could have nothing in common besides that.
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Q: what meetings? the New Atheists of america? Where? When? I wanna go! (I joke; there's no need!). You mean like millions of Christians and Muslims do every day? I'm looking for a bunch of atheists stopping everything @ 4:00p, dropping to their knees and bowing to The Atheist god/icon. Hmmmm... nope; can't find 'em ANYWHERE! Lemme know where and when you've seen this, would you please?
(NOTE: yeah; they
do come out when some ardent Christian demonstrators hold some extroverted prayer meeting in a public place, filling the air with chants and demagogery, and flags and placards, yowling at those who understand and support The US Constitution.)
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Originally Posted by abf5000
To answer you, I think our creator has always existed in some form as some kind of universal life force outside the known realms of the universe. I'm not a creationist either, I do believe Darwinian evolution occurred and that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, but obviously it doesn't account for the origins of life on earth/the universe. Why can't there be both intelligent design and evolution? Maybe the mechanism of evolution was intelligently designed.
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OH. I see. You believe in a totally ultra-powerful, but inexplicable and totally improbable supernatural force-being who just conveniently POOFED it all into instant existence. And who now absolutely refuses to show himself in this age of good digital cameras and video cams. Good idea! Quite believable, unlike the now-predictable outcomes of science, which you just dismiss. Well, please also note that science always allows
you and I to reproduce
any of it's multi-million experimental results whenever you'd like to. Have you done
any of that confirming stuff yet?
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Originally Posted by Says Who?
Its not just "Christians" that are against homosexual marriage.
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What's
that got to do with anything, BTW? The origins of the universe according to rampant anti-Gays?
What nonsense!
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